Bayonets Help

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  1. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    Hi All,
    I have 3 bayonets I need help with, 2 Ross Rifle Co and 1 German.
    I imagine there are fakes bayonets out there so I'm not sure if mine are real, any information appreciated
    thanks for looking:)
    #1 Ross Rifle Co Bayonet in Leather Sheaf, the bayonet is 14 1/2"L, in the sheath it is 16 1/2"L. I found a website that explains the marks - Marked on the pommel Ross Rifle Co Quebec, on the other side II for mark #2; an arrowhead shape in a circle,the CDN Gov't mark; crown over 4 is the Ross factory inspection mark and issue date - 5/16, also crown over number marks on the side, CDN Gov't mark on the sheath.
    Does it look okay?
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    there are numbers on the wood part, looks like 555
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  2. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    #2 is another Ross Rifle Co, no sheath, it is 13 3/4"L. The blade looks odd, maybe has been painted? The marks are the same as pretty much the same as the one above, a different issue date, 12/16. This one has a different cross guard step than the one above.
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    hard to see the marks on the above photo, this gives a bit better look, a can see the crown mark

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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    look fine to me.
    good killing weapons...... likely stuck in a few ribs !!!
     
  4. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    #3 is a German bayonet K98, 14 3/4"L, in the metal scabbard it is 16"L.
    There are numbers/letters on the blade, S/245 & 9450; on the top of the handle is a little metal plaque and 2 marks above that are inspection marks. Also marks on the scabbard, ?2SW & 8729 with a maker mark underneath? Looks like black paint on the blade? Not sure if original or added on.
    any help appreciated:)
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  5. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    Thank-you komokwa:) yea, it is a little creepy to think how these might have been used.
    is there a reason they would have different cross guard steps?
     
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  6. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    What is the length of just the blade on the German one?
     
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  7. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    just the blade is 9 1/2"L
     
  8. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    I recently did a lot of research on a Polish bayonet that I found and that research overlapped with German blades. There is a lot of nuance to these, in terms of design/marks/reworks/etc., so please take this as general info to help you do your own research to get to the finer points on the piece.

    That looks like a 84/98 or K98 bayonet. During certain time periods, Germany used a letter / number code in lieu of having a manufacturer's name on the blade.

    S/245 is:
    Jetter & Scheerer, Tuttlingen

    Year they manufactured these blades: 1934-1941

    From '25-'36, there would have been a letter under the S/245 indicating the year of production. Yours does not have that, so I would assume it to be 1937-1941.

    It's a non-matching scabbard to the blade, which is not uncommon. Looks similar to the scabbard that came with my Polish bayonet. Mine was made in Austria, but I don't think this on is the same. With some determination, you should be able to find it.

    That button on the pommel is the press/catch and should push in and release back. It may take some effort.
     
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  9. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    Also, I don't think that's paint you see on the blade. It could have been blued at some point, or could just be age and patina. Hard to tell from the pics
     
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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    the guard could have been fouled ...then cut off to better suit the blade as a fighting knife..
     
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  11. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

  12. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    thank-you sabre123, this is great information:)
    thanks komokwa:)
    I didn't even notice the list, thanks Dave:)
     
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