Featured Black chantilly lace

Came home from an estate sale with several yards of two different designs of what appears to be chantilly lace. I’m thinking this may actually be handmade? The simpler style is 6 inches in width and the more ornate one is 7 inches in width.
All info is welcome. Your help would be especially appreciated @Northern Lights Lodge

 

@bluumz OH! what a treat for this cold snowy morning!!! LOVE it! These are MARVELOUS! AND you have yardage!!!! Is there a chance you could send a couple more pics without shadowing behind the lace... as close up as clear? Particularly the edge photos of both and one of the rose in the top piece and the "vase" of flowers in the second? The shadowing makes it difficult to see what I need to look for!

 

It's gorgeous!
But now I'm thinking of the Big Bopper

 

@Northern Lights Lodge
Leslie, you have gone above and beyond in your assistance with my laces! I love learning about them, and the techniques that were used to make them are just fascinating!

Further photos of the first one:

 

Further photos of the second one:

 

Oh, they are lovely!

 

@bluumz OH, photos are MUCH better! Thank you! Yes, most definitely... BOTH are hand done bobbin and Chantilly. That bottom one is just luscious! Both well worked; but the bottom one is a more elaborate pattern with more shading - probably a bit older than the first. Well done!!!

Oh, and I must say: I am "talking out loud" as I narrate what I see... it helps ME understand what I'm seeing and it certainly must help viewers understand what they are looking at also.