Featured Black-on-black pot-any guesses on age & maker ?

Just picked this up and wondered who might have crafted this.It's 5 1/4" high by 8" across,a completely rounded base (poss coiled manufacture ?).It looks like a polished/burnished surface painted w/ a lighter grey slightly granular slip.
The scrape/smoothing marks on the base look very regular (done by a modern machined scraper/comb/etc ?).
All feedback's welcome-thanks.
@Potteryplease @2manybooks @Taupou @Debora @komokwa

 

Nice pot @bosko69. I'd say hand-made, in Mexico. The painted designs are not 'precise' or sharp-angled, which would be the ideal, but the shape of the pot itself is nice.

You sure there's not a signature on the bottom there? Mata Ortiz signatures tend to be incised / scratched on rather than painted on.

 

Thanks Pot-Any guesses at all ? I don't have a clue as to where or when.
Oops-Just saw your comment.Mexico would seem quite likely-ditto,very crude decoration.

 

It's a bit Mata Ortiz looking, but the painting is a little crude for that pottery.

 

Barro negro is typically from Oaxaca. But that doesn't look Mexican to my eye. It would more likely be highly glossy and incised.

Debora

 

Yep Mata Ortiz or Oaxaca both came to mind when i saw it at the sale,but then i grabbed it and saw how crude it was.
Old Crude's good,but 'New Crude's just crude.

 

The shape resembles some types of Mata Ortiz jars. But if so, it is not a particularly well done example.

 

And if it is Mata Ortiz, remember that there is no 'old'-- that pottery started in the 1970s.

 

I would have definitely thought 1920's/30's but I know nada about pottery. Lovely piece.

 

I would have thought Oaxaca. But I'm with the others, it is crudely made. Nice shape though.

 

Maybe the vessel was thrown by an experienced potter & decorated by a student or even the crafter's child ?
Yep-shape i like,overall nice decorative piece.
Any chances it's from some other continent than the Americas ?

 

Black ceramics combined with stepped motifs are very Mexican.

 

True.

 

The closest comps i've found so far- 1.Black Clay Mezcal Pot Coyotepec Oaxaca 1950's 2.Early 20th Cent NA Black Pot 3. Early 20th Cent San Ildefonso NA Bowl 4.San Ildelfonso Anna Montoya Martinez 5. Santa Clara 20's-30's Pueblo Blackwater Jar
PS-I take all of these descriptions w/ a grain of salt,since most of these items are 'for sale',& hey-it's the **** internet.

 

The 'lip' --the raised rim-- on yours looks thoroughly more Mexican to me than Pueblo Native Am. The rounded body is more Mexican than NA too.

 

#1 and 4 in your pics above seem correctly identified.

#2 is not "early 20th century"-- more like mid century. I've never seen the design motifs on #3, and #5 could be from several places.

As you note, a grain of salt is necessary when reading these sales-pitches.

 

Thanks so much for your valuable input Pot,this is something i never find on my junk store garage sale jaunts !
PS-Just checked 'Mexican Oaxaca Black Clay Pot' on Ebay-top Sold price $35 !
Oh well,my amigos can't get no respect. What a difference a few hundred miles & a couple pueblos make.

 

It's important to remember that types of black pottery can be found in many places, although we are most familiar with it being from Mexico. But it is found elsewhere in the world, also, such as in some Puebloan pottery from the southwest, some southeastern tribes, like the Catawba and Cherokee, and in parts of China, Chile, Colombia, Portugal, Romania, and several countries in Africa, to name a few.

I can't say exactly where this is from, but the rounded bottom and the decoration, would indicate Mexico or Central or South America.

 

Thanks so much Taupou.I suspected other global cultures experimented with black pottery,but that Americas made most of it.
It would be nice to find owing to it's crude decoration-that it was an antiquity.But as we know,many ancient artisans were as skilled and talented as any so-called modern sophisticated craftsman.