Blue Transfer Ware Handless Cup & Saucer

Ok, I'm stumped. I have a blue transfer ware handless cup and saucer, c1830-50? They came together but I'm not convinced they are the same pattern. I've searched google images for these patterns to no avail. I've been to the Lovers of Blue & White and got as far as the "C" patterns before I started going blind. If anyone so happens to know the who, what & when I would really appreciate it.
inside of the cup. hmm looks like I need to orient this. I believe the bottom of the scene is at the 11:00 position

pattern of the saucer

bottom of cup

bottom of saucer

TIA, Carl

 

Got the cup oriented



Going to go drop this in the peroxide right now. Hope it helps.

 

Ought to. It can work wonders. They don't match but they do coordinate. It's the kind of thing I buy to mess with; the value isn't high, and if you mess it up it's not a huge loss.

 

I know I've seen and researched this pattern before, but of course now I can't find any info. I do remember that it is one of those patterns produced by many companies, so it has many variations and many names. I agree that the cup and saucer are a marriage, but they are two variations on the same pattern. The pattern is characterized by a castle on the left, a waterfall in the background forming a river through the center, a large tree on the right, and figures in the foreground standing beside a large clump of foliage.

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Now I remember! The pattern is sometimes called Lake Ontario (or simply Ontario), and why not? I can see Lake Ontario from my apartment window and it looks just like that.

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Sorry! I got confused looking at the pictures. The saucer is an unrelated pattern. Purely a marriage of convenience.

 

Moreotherstuff beat me to the pattern name of the cup. The pattern is pictured in Petra Williams Staffordshire Romantic Transfer Patterns Cup Plates and Early Victorian China, p. 353, as "Ontario Lake Scenery." Pictured is a dinner plate and a cup plate. They are both 12 sided and they have the same border as your cup except not sure if the border has the horizontal lines running across the spray of flowers. It says these plates are by Joseph Heath marked "J. Heath" and according to GMK this Heath mark dates from 1845-53. Seeing your cup isn't marked, I don't know if yours is by Heath. Good chance others did the pattern also??? Here is the info:

"Scenic Category
'Ontario Lake Scenery'
Made by Joseph Heath

"The larger plate photographed is twelve-sided and so is the cup plate and the patterns on both plates are identical. A trailing vine interspersed with small flowers encircles the outer edge. A pattern of sprays of flowers separated by a vertical double bar centered with a row of beads. The vine design of forget-me-nots crosses the bars at right. The entire rim design is finished at the well by tiny scallops.

"The central scene is European and is dominated by a castle with tall towers at left center. In the background there are tall mountains. A cascade starts in the center rear and becomes a waterfall which spreads into a wide triangular lake area. At extreme right on the river bank there are tentlike structures held up by forked tree limbs. There are tall elms and bushy trees in the background. In the center four people stand on a steep bank and another is seated on the edge of the bank. Shrubs in the foreground and clouds in the upper background complete the circular picture.

"Marked J. Heath, GMK. 1993, 1845-53."

Here's an interesting webpage on Heath's "Ontario Lake Scenery" pattern.
http://thecanadasite.com/antiques/ceramics6_jheath.php

I haven't found the pattern of the your saucer yet.

--- Susan

 

Found the cup plate pattern. According to Petra Williams & Marguerite R. Weber in "Staffordshire II Romantic Transfer Patterns Cups Plates and Early Victorian China, pp. 226-227, it is called "Patras" by Wood and Challinor. Seems some of the pieces are marked "W. & C.," and according to GMK. 4244, it dates c1828-43. Pictured is a dinner plate, saucer, cream pitcher, and a pic of the backstamp. The pieces seem to have the same border as yours. Do note in the following info given it goes into detail of the central scene on the plate that includes human figures. The cup plate does not have the human figures. It has much less detail then the plate and cream pitcher.

"Scenic Category
Patras
Made by Wood and Challinor

"The white edges of these twelve sided plates are embossed and white flowers and scrolls are placed under the raised edges. Three scroll framed reserves on the large plate and two on the cup plate are placed in a curving net background. Each contains an arch in center, a stone bridge at left, castle buildings in the background, a boast on a river and tall elms on either side. Triangular scroll designs on the bottom of the rim alternate with the vignettes. A bold band of spearpoint under a dark band contains the border pattern on the cavetto.

"In the central scene on the large plate the curving stone steps at left lead to the arched entrance of an open square temple which is surmounted by urns. There are two people on the upper landing near the arch. A man is seated on the ground near the large newel at the bottom of the stairs. Two ladies stand at right talking to him. There is a statue of a woman on a pedestal at right and a tall elm behind the statue. Other trees rise at left from either side of the temple. In the distance one sees a lake and a large towered castle.

"On the cream pitcher shown there is the same scene but it does not show the couple standing under the arch near the temple. The cup plate has the same scene but omits all human figures.

"Marked W. & C., GMK. 4244, c 1828-42."

THe pics in the book are not very good, but will insert a scan of the plate and the cup plate.

--- Susan

 

BTW, John Meir had a "Patras" pattern but quite different from this one.

--- Susan

 

Thank you for all your help Susan and moreotherstuff. I really appreciate it....Carl

 

Thought maybe you would like to see the results of the peroxide on the cup. It went in right after this post and came out this AM.

 

Wow! Great results! What strength did you use - drugstore or beauty supply?

 

Makes a big difference.

 

I order the industrial strength 35% Food grade from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AAP5FAK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

Thanks for that info!

 

Be sure to use rubber gloves