Brass Frame Emergency: The mistake of my life?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by bluemoon, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    Please tell me this frame is actually from the 1800s..

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  2. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    My guess, and that's all it is, is that the item looks like a mass -produced 20th C. Item. You haven't told us the size.
     
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  3. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Maybe the 1890s. Is that an etching in it ?
     
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  4. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

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  5. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    That is only a 30 year difference so I would not really expect there to be all that much that distinguishes the two. If this were mine, I would probably err on the side of caution and think this falls in the later range of those dates. That easel looks a bit rinky-dink for 19th century. How is it attached?
     
  6. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

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  7. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    Not sure exactly what I am seeing. Is it pinned from the inside and soldered to the pins? If so, this is better construction than what you often find on later pieces. Many of them omit the pins. This is not definitive, there were quality pieces made on in to the 20s.
     
  8. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    The easel's base or 'holder' or whatever that has the hinge has been attached to the back of the frame with 2 pins. I don't know whether it's also been soldered in, it's hard to say
     
  9. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    The lower picture is from the top of the frame where the ring is, in case the frame is to be hung on the wall.
     
  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    It's only a mistake if you vastly overpaid for it...
     
  11. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    75$ with the engraving / picture.
     
  12. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    Oh, the measurements are 7.8 x 9.8 inches or 20 x 25 cm and the top decoration is 1,5 inches or 3,5 cm.
     
  13. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Looks old to me, probably an antique now. Feel the weight of the frame for confirmation, the heavier the better.
     
  14. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

  15. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    If you look carefully at the texture of the back of the top decoration in both my frame and the one you linked... you can tell my frame was originally gilded (gold plated) brass because of the differences in color and texture (and it has a slightly 'grainy' texture that's also similar to my turn-of-the-century sconces), but the one you just showed has a very smooth texture:

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  16. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

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  17. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Don't know if it makes any difference in the overall scheme of things but I don't agree with the evidence you give to prove that some parts were gilded at one time-just doesn't add up IMO.
     
  18. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    Well, how do you explain this:

    The parts that have been wiped / polished more in the past show a darker colour (brass) and those that haven't been touched much are a lighter colour and quite matte. Now, if that was just plain brass, it would be patina-ed as f by now, even darker than those shinier polished parts..

    There clearly is some sort of top coat in the parts where it hasn't worn off.

    And I don't think it's lacquer.
     
  19. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    I don't know who is correct but aren't you also the person who said those late empire sconces (that turned out to be authentic) were from a christmas shop or 'vintage last week'?
     
  20. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    I guess I don't really get what this is all about. I don't see either of the last two posted as very similar. Nor do I think it makes much difference whether or not this is 1890 or 1920. We are talking antique or near antique either way. We are seeing values all over the place for similar frames, whether 19th century or 20th. I also don't think it matters much whether it is gilt or not. Overall appearance and quality would be the determining factors to value as far as I am concerned. I think you frame compares nicely in this regard (other than the easel being a bit rinky-dink ;)). Personally, I think anything much over $100.00 for a small frame like this is too much unless it is very old.
     
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