Featured Brush McCoy Pottery Jardiniere & Pedestal

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  1. dude

    dude Well-Known Member

    Hi Everyone:

    Does anyone recognize the exact pattern of my Brush McCoy Pottery Jardiniere & Pedestal?

    Also, any clues on the Jardiniere sig? I know it's nearly impossible to make out, but I've included a pic anyway as I've seen you guys crack tougher nuts. My only guess right now is Harding.

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  2. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Alright, here is what I learned about the "McCoy" Jardiniere & Pedestal decades ago - they were mass produced as fakes, some signed "Brush", some signed "McCoy" and some unsigned. I've never seen a real McCoy that was signed by the decorator. Although green and brown were the most popular colors for these, the colors of yours seem not quite "right" for a real McCoy.

    Now, I doubt any of that really matters, except for a purist Brush-McCoy collector. :cat: Best wishes with it, I love these old sets! :singing:
  3. dude

    dude Well-Known Member

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  6. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    I don't believe this is a Weller piece. A case of being misidentified and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.

    I just paged thru the entire Huxford book and found nothing similar.

    The pedestal shape isn't correct for Weller either.
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  7. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I'll start with I don't know. I am wondering if there is a reason you were thinking Brush McCoy.

    I have a McCoy book that doesn't have it but I don't have a Brush McCoy book. I also didn't see it in my Weller or Roseville books but I'm sure they don't have everything.

    I found a butterfly jardiniere online that they say is Weller Ardsley. I'm wondering if that why some got the idea of Weller. This one might be as Ardsley has cattails etc though it's not in my Weller book either. Not sure about the Weller mark but someone who collects it might think it's ok. It's different than yours.

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    I am wondering if you have the right base on yours. This one, unidentified, seems to have one more in keeping with the butterfly motif.


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  8. dude

    dude Well-Known Member

    The flea market dealer I bought the pieces from claimed they were. Or maybe he called them drip, not brush. There was a lot going on that day! I do have a Brush McCoy book somewhere around but it mostly has lists of prices, not pics.

    Whatever the set is, I didn't pay much for it: $50-80 tops. I bought a lot at that market that day. Would be cool to know what they are, though.

    At this point it's looking like a mix-matched set of knock offs. I'm more into function than form, but am curious if those still following the thread find the grouping an aesthetic nightmare or close enough in colors/design?

    It's always interesting to see where these threads go and I appreciate everyone's input.
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  9. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    Not that I'm an expert on all Weller marks, but this one bothers me because the letters are all upper-case except for the ells which are lower case.
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  10. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    That last set, from live auctioneers, is shown in Warman's Weller book, p. 231. There is no pattern name, it's just under a page called Tiles and Hand-Decorated.
    It says hand-decorated ware was discontinued in 1935.
    No luck on the pedestal yet.
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  11. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I can't weigh in on the substantive questions, but to my eye they go very well together. Having butterflies on the base seems de trop to me.
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  12. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

    whatever it is, it is lovely.
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  13. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    That "signature" looks like it was done recently with a Sharpie pen. I don't trust it. However, the set does appear on pg 231 of Warman's book, so there we go.
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  14. dude

    dude Well-Known Member

    . . . the set does appear on pg 231 of Warman's book, so there we go.[/QUOTE]
    Thx, do they assign a value by any chance? Still trying to get a ballpark.
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  15. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    The liveauctioneer auction set they mention as being in the Weller book sold for $1,200 in 2017.
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  16. dude

    dude Well-Known Member

    :greedy: Nice! Thx! If just the jardinière part of my set is the same, it appears I did well in my investment.
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  17. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    You might want to check the sales prices on the individual ones on Worthpoint. That might be closer. The auction estimate on the Liveauctioneer one was $200-300 so it may have been two determined bidders that day.
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  18. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    More pictures of the pedestal might help ID that. I can't see the pattern.
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  19. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    Well I'm confused. Let me see if I can recap. First the jardiniere and the pedestal do not match which is probably why it was obtained on the cheap. The value is really in the jard anyway and it is clearly Weller. The butterfly is very nice and the jard alone was worth the investment. Jardinere prices are down right now but I'd still expect it would do well in the $100 range. With the correct pedestal I still wouldn't expect it to go over $300 or so. Jardinieres with the proper pedestal are much more desirable than jardinieres alone. In an Ardsley glaze it would bring much more as that pattern itself is very desirable. With the Live Auctioneers listing, note that the set misidentified as majolica. It's quite possible there were two bidders who did not know what they were actually bidding on and that contributed to the higher price.

    Weller used some funky marks sometimes so the mark SIS found doesn't really bother me. Nor does the difference in glaze colors as Weller used the same molds in several different lines and with a variety of different glazes including blended glazes. In this particular case, it is not part of a named pattern. With the Ardsley glaze it's Ardsley but in a blended glaze it's just that - a blended glaze. I doubt that the OP's jard is artist signed. I think it's probably just some kind of internal factory marking. In my experience, Weller is usually artist signed only on the body and only if it has been hand painted. I'm sorry but I don't know who made the pedestal.

    Hope this helps.
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  20. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    I don't understand when you say with the Ardsley glaze it's Ardsley. Ardsley is a different pattern, not a glaze.
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