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<p>[QUOTE="Joe in PA, post: 13188864, member: 12740"]Some repro vs old info (from ai)</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, markings like "Made during the Qianlong Reign of the Great Qing Dynasty" (大清乾隆年製 - <i>Da Qing Qianlong Nian Zhi</i>) appear incredibly frequently on reproduction pottery and porcelain. In fact, the vast majority of ceramics found on the market today bearing this specific mark are modern decorative reproductions or later historical copies rather than 18th-century originals. [1, 2, 3, 4] </p><p>When a reign mark appears on a piece made outside of that actual emperor's rule, it is known as an apocryphal mark. [5] </p><p><font size="5"><b>Why do reproductions have this mark?</b></font></p><p><br /></p><ul> <li>A Tradition of Homage: For centuries, Chinese potters placed the marks of earlier dynasties on their wares as a sign of reverence and respect for the artistic peaks of the past. The Qianlong period (1736–1795) was a golden age for Chinese ceramic mastery, making his mark the most heavily emulated. [1, 2, 5] </li> <li>Mass Commercial Export: During the 19th and 20th centuries (particularly the 1950s through the 1980s), Chinese state-run factories produced millions of high-quality porcelain pieces for global export. Most of these decorative vases, bowls, and plates were stamped with red or blue iron-red Qianlong seal marks strictly as a stylistic choice.[6, 7] </li> <li>Intentional Forgeries: Because authentic imperial "mark and period" Qianlong pieces fetch immense fortunes at auction houses like <a href="https://www.christies.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.christies.com/" rel="nofollow">Christie's</a>, counterfeiters meticulously replicate the marks to trick buyers. [4, 8] </li> </ul><p><font size="5"><b>Common Clues that a Mark is a Modern Reproduction</b></font></p><p>If you are looking at a piece with this inscription, check the following details to help determine if it is a modern item:</p><p><b>Feature</b> <b>Authentic 18th-Century Original</b> <b>Modern/20th-Century Reproduction</b></p><p>Application Method Meticulously hand-painted with a brush under the glaze. Often rubber-stamped, stenciled, or transfer-printed, showing mechanical pixelation or perfectly identical lines.</p><p>Linework & Execution Calligraphy is fluid, balanced, and exhibits highly skilled, artistic brush weight variations. Lines can look stiff, uniform in thickness ("hollow-line" copies), or sloppy.</p><p>The Base & Foot Ring The unglazed rim on the bottom is smooth, finely textured ("musky" or like paste), and shows gentle, natural aging. The bottom is often rough, perfectly stark white, or artificially stained with brown liquids to mimic dirt and age.</p><p>Companion Markings Authentic pieces rarely paired imperial reign marks with English text. If it says both "Made during the Qianlong Reign..." and has text like "Made in China" or a factory number, it is safely a 20th-century piece.</p><p>To help narrow down what you have, tell me:</p><p><br /></p><ul> <li>Is the mark hand-painted in blue or looks like a stamped red ink square?</li> <li>Are there any other markings on the bottom (like "Made in China" or numbers)?</li> <li>What does the overall style or color of the pottery look like?</li> </ul><p><br /></p><p>[1] <a href="https://www.bluecherryantiques.co.uk/pages/chinese-reproductions-identification-marks" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.bluecherryantiques.co.uk/pages/chinese-reproductions-identification-marks" rel="nofollow">https://www.bluecherryantiques.co.uk</a></p><p>[2] <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ChineseAntiquesmarks/posts/2579794995710272/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ChineseAntiquesmarks/posts/2579794995710272/" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com</a></p><p>[3] <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/4191667757606588/posts/8695260657247253/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/4191667757606588/posts/8695260657247253/" rel="nofollow">https://www.facebook.com</a></p><p>[4] <a href="https://antiqbot.com/blog/how-to-spot-fake-chinese-porcelain" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://antiqbot.com/blog/how-to-spot-fake-chinese-porcelain" rel="nofollow">https://antiqbot.com</a></p><p>[5] <a href="https://www.christies.com/en/stories/reign-marks-on-chinese-ceramics-an-expert-guide-0515c046ddcc4b958982e696e596be11" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.christies.com/en/stories/reign-marks-on-chinese-ceramics-an-expert-guide-0515c046ddcc4b958982e696e596be11" rel="nofollow">https://www.christies.com</a></p><p>[6] <a href="https://www.etsy.com/listing/4330385357/hand-painted-chinese-octagonal-bowl-w" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.etsy.com/listing/4330385357/hand-painted-chinese-octagonal-bowl-w" rel="nofollow">https://www.etsy.com</a></p><p>[7] <a href="https://orientalantiques.co.uk/uncategorized/chinese-porcelain-marks-identification-guide/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://orientalantiques.co.uk/uncategorized/chinese-porcelain-marks-identification-guide/" rel="nofollow">https://orientalantiques.co.uk</a></p><p>[8] <a href="https://antique-marks.com/qianlong-porcelain-marks-on-vases-and-other-art-from-qianlong-period.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://antique-marks.com/qianlong-porcelain-marks-on-vases-and-other-art-from-qianlong-period.html" rel="nofollow">https://antique-marks.com</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Joe in PA, post: 13188864, member: 12740"]Some repro vs old info (from ai) Yes, markings like "Made during the Qianlong Reign of the Great Qing Dynasty" (大清乾隆年製 - [I]Da Qing Qianlong Nian Zhi[/I]) appear incredibly frequently on reproduction pottery and porcelain. In fact, the vast majority of ceramics found on the market today bearing this specific mark are modern decorative reproductions or later historical copies rather than 18th-century originals. [1, 2, 3, 4] When a reign mark appears on a piece made outside of that actual emperor's rule, it is known as an apocryphal mark. [5] [SIZE=5][B]Why do reproductions have this mark?[/B][/SIZE] [LIST] [*]A Tradition of Homage: For centuries, Chinese potters placed the marks of earlier dynasties on their wares as a sign of reverence and respect for the artistic peaks of the past. The Qianlong period (1736–1795) was a golden age for Chinese ceramic mastery, making his mark the most heavily emulated. [1, 2, 5] [*]Mass Commercial Export: During the 19th and 20th centuries (particularly the 1950s through the 1980s), Chinese state-run factories produced millions of high-quality porcelain pieces for global export. Most of these decorative vases, bowls, and plates were stamped with red or blue iron-red Qianlong seal marks strictly as a stylistic choice.[6, 7] [*]Intentional Forgeries: Because authentic imperial "mark and period" Qianlong pieces fetch immense fortunes at auction houses like [URL='https://www.christies.com/']Christie's[/URL], counterfeiters meticulously replicate the marks to trick buyers. [4, 8] [/LIST] [SIZE=5][B]Common Clues that a Mark is a Modern Reproduction[/B][/SIZE] If you are looking at a piece with this inscription, check the following details to help determine if it is a modern item: [B]Feature[/B] [B]Authentic 18th-Century Original[/B] [B]Modern/20th-Century Reproduction[/B] Application Method Meticulously hand-painted with a brush under the glaze. Often rubber-stamped, stenciled, or transfer-printed, showing mechanical pixelation or perfectly identical lines. Linework & Execution Calligraphy is fluid, balanced, and exhibits highly skilled, artistic brush weight variations. Lines can look stiff, uniform in thickness ("hollow-line" copies), or sloppy. The Base & Foot Ring The unglazed rim on the bottom is smooth, finely textured ("musky" or like paste), and shows gentle, natural aging. The bottom is often rough, perfectly stark white, or artificially stained with brown liquids to mimic dirt and age. Companion Markings Authentic pieces rarely paired imperial reign marks with English text. If it says both "Made during the Qianlong Reign..." and has text like "Made in China" or a factory number, it is safely a 20th-century piece. To help narrow down what you have, tell me: [LIST] [*]Is the mark hand-painted in blue or looks like a stamped red ink square? [*]Are there any other markings on the bottom (like "Made in China" or numbers)? [*]What does the overall style or color of the pottery look like? [/LIST] [1] [URL='https://www.bluecherryantiques.co.uk/pages/chinese-reproductions-identification-marks']https://www.bluecherryantiques.co.uk[/URL] [2] [URL='https://www.facebook.com/groups/ChineseAntiquesmarks/posts/2579794995710272/']https://www.facebook.com[/URL] [3] [URL='https://www.facebook.com/groups/4191667757606588/posts/8695260657247253/']https://www.facebook.com[/URL] [4] [URL='https://antiqbot.com/blog/how-to-spot-fake-chinese-porcelain']https://antiqbot.com[/URL] [5] [URL='https://www.christies.com/en/stories/reign-marks-on-chinese-ceramics-an-expert-guide-0515c046ddcc4b958982e696e596be11']https://www.christies.com[/URL] [6] [URL='https://www.etsy.com/listing/4330385357/hand-painted-chinese-octagonal-bowl-w']https://www.etsy.com[/URL] [7] [URL='https://orientalantiques.co.uk/uncategorized/chinese-porcelain-marks-identification-guide/']https://orientalantiques.co.uk[/URL] [8] [URL='https://antique-marks.com/qianlong-porcelain-marks-on-vases-and-other-art-from-qianlong-period.html']https://antique-marks.com[/URL][/QUOTE]
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