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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;all_fakes, post: 4626462, member: 55&quot;]I agree with Komo - as usual.</p><p>It would be easy to dismiss the first one, because the forms are not really very good, in either modern or traditional terms; but there are too many things that are correct, and which would be highly unlikely to be correct if non-native.&nbsp; Including the overall shape; and the doubled dorsal fins.</p><p>(The double-fin killer whale is a traditional crest, though less common than the more realistic single-fin; and a non-native would be very unlikely to know that.&nbsp; Caspar Mather was one earlier carver who used the double-fin design sometimes, though this is not one of his carvings. It is noteworthy that Caspar Mather does fit the &quot;loss of knowledge&quot; time-period mentioned by Komo - he had been raised without having any teacher or mentor, and thus had to learn and make things up for himself, without any traditional training; and so his form-usage is not really very good, in traditional terms. There are a number of others up to the 50s-60s with similar bios, though mostly nameless.)</p><p>As mentioned, Chief Henry Speck is an example of art from times when knowledge was not as refined as either today, or in previous times; but Speck was also one of the first to make drawings of his art, and so is quite significant in terms of preservation of the forms.</p><p><br /></p><p>And, forgive the wandering OT, but Ellen Neel is another whose forms were not always perfect, but who is still highly respected; and she was one of the first to make and sell note-cards; where again we see forms that are a bit cartoonish:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]412385[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]412386[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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