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<p>[QUOTE="say_it_slowly, post: 3742948, member: 50"]I have Fairbairn's book <i>Crests of the Families of Great Britain and Ireland</i>. I don't know that it's the best but it's the only one I have. In Elinor Gordon's book, Chinese Export Porcelain, she recommends a few books though I've never seen them and don't know if they are helpful. I'll include a shot of what she says.</p><p><br /></p><p>Chinese Export isn't something I know a great deal about and own a limited number. I'm not entirely sure that an armorial looking detail is necessarily an actual family as I find it sometimes referred to as "pseudo" armorial. Yours makes me wonder a bit as the floral looks rather like some used just as decoration. Anyway, I can't offer much help but here's a bit.</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Below, "sample" plates that show options when ordering your preferred porcelain, from the Victoria and Albert Museum.</p><p><br /></p><p>2. From Winterthur Museum, a platter that has the armorials on each end with a floral decoration in the center that looks a good deal like your floral.</p><p><br /></p><p>3. A few examples of the types of plates from Fairbairn's Crests book. I didn't see any that matched your floral exactly but I'm showing a few florals along with how many different names can be associated with each of them.</p><p><br /></p><p>4. I added a piece I own with floral decoration on . You'll note the similar floral to yours. I don't know that it means yours isn't a true family crest, just makes me wonder.</p><p><br /></p><p>5. Gordon's book recommendations.</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Victoria and Albert, sample plates for ordering</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O180998/plate-unknown/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O180998/plate-unknown/" rel="nofollow">https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O180998/plate-unknown/</a></p><p><img src="https://framemark.vam.ac.uk/collections/2008BT0432/full/735,/0/default.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O437100/plate-unknown/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O437100/plate-unknown/" rel="nofollow">https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O437100/plate-unknown/</a></p><p><img src="https://framemark.vam.ac.uk/collections/2008BV1658/full/735,/0/default.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>2. Winterthur Museum, platter with armorials on either end floral decor in center</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://museumcollection.winterthur.org/single-record.php?resultsperpage=20&view=catalog&srchtype=advanced&hasImage=&ObjObjectName=&CreOrigin=&Earliest=&Latest=&CreCreatorLocal_tab=&materialsearch=&ObjObjectID=&ObjCategory=&DesMaterial_tab=&DesTechnique_tab=&AccCreditLineLocal=&CreMarkSignature=&recid=1966.0569.008&srchfld=&srchtxt=chinese+export+armorial&id=0dc6&rownum=21&version=100&src=results-imagelink-only#.YETk_GhKhKA" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://museumcollection.winterthur.org/single-record.php?resultsperpage=20&view=catalog&srchtype=advanced&hasImage=&ObjObjectName=&CreOrigin=&Earliest=&Latest=&CreCreatorLocal_tab=&materialsearch=&ObjObjectID=&ObjCategory=&DesMaterial_tab=&DesTechnique_tab=&AccCreditLineLocal=&CreMarkSignature=&recid=1966.0569.008&srchfld=&srchtxt=chinese+export+armorial&id=0dc6&rownum=21&version=100&src=results-imagelink-only#.YETk_GhKhKA" rel="nofollow">http://museumcollection.winterthur.org/single-record.php?resultsperpage=20&view=catalog&srchtype=advanced&hasImage=&ObjObjectName=&CreOrigin=&Earliest=&Latest=&CreCreatorLocal_tab=&materialsearch=&ObjObjectID=&ObjCategory=&DesMaterial_tab=&DesTechnique_tab=&AccCreditLineLocal=&CreMarkSignature=&recid=1966.0569.008&srchfld=&srchtxt=chinese+export+armorial&id=0dc6&rownum=21&version=100&src=results-imagelink-only#.YETk_GhKhKA</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]313941[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]313942[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>3. Fairbairn's Crest examples</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]313945[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]313946[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]313947[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]313948[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>4. My coffee can with similar floral</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]313949[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>5. Gordon's book recommendations</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]313950[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]313951[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="say_it_slowly, post: 3742948, member: 50"]I have Fairbairn's book [I]Crests of the Families of Great Britain and Ireland[/I]. I don't know that it's the best but it's the only one I have. In Elinor Gordon's book, Chinese Export Porcelain, she recommends a few books though I've never seen them and don't know if they are helpful. I'll include a shot of what she says. Chinese Export isn't something I know a great deal about and own a limited number. I'm not entirely sure that an armorial looking detail is necessarily an actual family as I find it sometimes referred to as "pseudo" armorial. Yours makes me wonder a bit as the floral looks rather like some used just as decoration. Anyway, I can't offer much help but here's a bit. 1. Below, "sample" plates that show options when ordering your preferred porcelain, from the Victoria and Albert Museum. 2. From Winterthur Museum, a platter that has the armorials on each end with a floral decoration in the center that looks a good deal like your floral. 3. A few examples of the types of plates from Fairbairn's Crests book. I didn't see any that matched your floral exactly but I'm showing a few florals along with how many different names can be associated with each of them. 4. I added a piece I own with floral decoration on . You'll note the similar floral to yours. I don't know that it means yours isn't a true family crest, just makes me wonder. 5. Gordon's book recommendations. 1. Victoria and Albert, sample plates for ordering [URL]https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O180998/plate-unknown/[/URL] [IMG]https://framemark.vam.ac.uk/collections/2008BT0432/full/735,/0/default.jpg[/IMG] [URL]https://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O437100/plate-unknown/[/URL] [IMG]https://framemark.vam.ac.uk/collections/2008BV1658/full/735,/0/default.jpg[/IMG] 2. Winterthur Museum, platter with armorials on either end floral decor in center [URL]http://museumcollection.winterthur.org/single-record.php?resultsperpage=20&view=catalog&srchtype=advanced&hasImage=&ObjObjectName=&CreOrigin=&Earliest=&Latest=&CreCreatorLocal_tab=&materialsearch=&ObjObjectID=&ObjCategory=&DesMaterial_tab=&DesTechnique_tab=&AccCreditLineLocal=&CreMarkSignature=&recid=1966.0569.008&srchfld=&srchtxt=chinese+export+armorial&id=0dc6&rownum=21&version=100&src=results-imagelink-only#.YETk_GhKhKA[/URL] [ATTACH=full]313941[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]313942[/ATTACH] 3. Fairbairn's Crest examples [ATTACH=full]313945[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]313946[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]313947[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]313948[/ATTACH] 4. My coffee can with similar floral [ATTACH=full]313949[/ATTACH] 5. Gordon's book recommendations [ATTACH=full]313950[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]313951[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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