Featured Chinese Moriage or Not

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Mario, Jul 12, 2019.

  1. Mario

    Mario Well-Known Member

    I got this large container and would like to see if somebody could point me in the right direction on getting more info on it as to how old it could be and what would it be called and who the characters are any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. mo1.jpg mo3.jpg mo4.jpg mo5.jpg mo6.jpg mo7.jpg mo8.jpg mo9.jpg mo10.jpg
     
  2. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Unusual form and over-the-top decoration... I think Satsuma moriage?
     
    i need help and judy like this.
  3. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    It looks like lots and lots of enamel to me.
     
  4. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Looks Japanese, rather than Chinese. Moriage refers to a Japanese technique of raised slip or enamel decoration.
     
  5. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    I agree with Japanese and enamel, not moriage.
     
  6. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Confused - what's the difference between moriage vs enamel?
     
    judy, Jaena and i need help like this.
  7. Jaena

    Jaena Well-Known Member

    I see all kinds of beading on this piece, which is a characteristic of moriage. Also, the Chinese did adopt the moriage technique in the late 19th century. And I know that in the 20th c., China produced, and is still producing, Japanese style moriage pieces complete with geisha scenes, in fact I have had several of them. Could this be a medicine bottle? And what in the world are these guys up to in this scene?! (See photo 4 and right hand side of photo 3 where it looks like one is about to smash a man's hand with a rock! Perhaps these are medicine men and one is looking up a cure in that book. I do not know if this is Japanese or Chinese. I guess the butterfly is the maker's mark? Quite an interesting piece. I am sure someone here could identify whether Chinese or Japanese. I am leaning toward Chinese simply because of the dynamic, rather wild, style of the scenes, whereas Japanese decorative style is almost always more restrained. Also the familiar Chinese style bottle top. The Chinese have a long history of keeping medicine in bottles due to their humid climate. But hopefully an Asian expert will answer your question definitively! :cat:
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019
  8. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    I think these are some of the “Seven Lucky Gods”
     
  9. Jaena

    Jaena Well-Known Member

    @scoutshouse - Moriage uses a clay slip decoratively in places over the body of the piece to give it a built up three dimensional appearance, and here in this piece it appears to me that at least the beading and the white dragon are slip decorated. Enamel is, well, you know - enamel.
     
    judy and scoutshouse like this.
  10. Mario

    Mario Well-Known Member

    They are and that is what is throwing me off as to it being moriage. Ant thoughts to that?
     
    judy and scoutshouse like this.
  11. Jaena

    Jaena Well-Known Member

    @Mario - Look at the 8th photo, there is clay slip build up everywhere, actually - on the clothing (see the colored dabs), the little beads, the dragon, the bundle of sticks. This is moriage.
     
    judy and scoutshouse like this.
  12. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    So, for instance, the people and other things like the bundle of sticks are clay? And Satsuma doesn't use that technique?
     
    judy likes this.
  13. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Yes, you answered my question and :)
     
    judy likes this.
  14. Jaena

    Jaena Well-Known Member

    @scoutshouse - Well, the raised areas I mentioned, including apparently the bundle of sticks, are built up with a sort of fluid clay mixture, often applied from a tube. This method is a labor intensive. True Satsuma pieces use moriage technique, but just because a piece is decorated with moriage does not make it satsuma. Satsuma has very special criteria to be called true satsuma. Many pieces are called satsuma which are not. You might want to google it. :)
     
    judy and scoutshouse like this.
  15. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    I keep thinking I know what Satsuma is, bc I grew up with my mother's beautiful Satsuma tea set, "thinking" being the operative word!

    Copy that :)

    Thanks for trying!
     
    judy and Jaena like this.
  16. Mario

    Mario Well-Known Member

    Would size make a difference? It measures 21-1/2"H without stopper and 23" with and about 11"W, it is more squarish than round and on opposing corners measure about 13-14", thanks.
     
    judy, Jaena and scoutshouse like this.
  17. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

  18. Jaena

    Jaena Well-Known Member

    Also, you could try Guest and Gray (they helped me at one time): https://chinese-porcelain-art.com/ their contact email is at bottom of the home page. Be sure to let us know what you find out!
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2019
    judy and i need help like this.
  19. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    The dramatic, exaggerated style is quite characteristic of some aspects of Japanese art. It can be seen in ukiyo-e prints, for example:
    [​IMG]

    I don't know what these fellows on the bottle are up to, though. Perhaps it is a sake bottle and they are all a little drunk.

    With regard to moriage and satsuma, there have been previous discussions here on the forums:
    https://www.antiquers.com/threads/the-mystery-of-moriage.30096/
    https://www.antiquers.com/threads/satsuma-vase-knock-off-how-do-i-identify-thanks.32952/#post-436284
     
    anundverkaufen, Jivvy, judy and 2 others like this.
  20. Rabid Collector

    Rabid Collector Active Member

    It looks Japanese to me as Japanese dragons have three toes and Chinese dragons five.
     
    judy, patd8643, Jaena and 1 other person like this.
Draft saved Draft deleted
Similar Threads: Chinese Moriage
Forum Title Date
Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain Chinese mark identification Wednesday at 4:45 AM
Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain Chinese or Japanese Bone China Coffee Cups & Saucers Oct 5, 2019
Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain Set of Chinese or Japanese Teacups, Unknown Maker Oct 3, 2019
Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain Help to identify a Chinese Pottery Mark Oct 1, 2019
Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain ESTATE SALE FIND - LARGE CHINESE TREE POT PAINT OVER BRASS? Sep 30, 2019

Share This Page