Featured Chinese porcelain need help with age and ID

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Frank Luongo, Mar 31, 2023.

  1. Frank Luongo

    Frank Luongo Active Member

    This was a Thrift Shop find many years ago. I have tried to ID the markings but have come up short.

    It is 8.5 inches in diameter and in very good condition. 20230331_143758.jpg 20230331_143758.jpg

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  2. 15Stiftgasse

    15Stiftgasse Well-Known Member

    In my opinion, it looks like a Chinese 'Rose Canton' type plate, possibly dating from late 19th / early 20th century.
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  3. Frank Luongo

    Frank Luongo Active Member

  4. Frank Luongo

    Frank Luongo Active Member

    Thank you. Here is one more which is 9 inches in diameter without marks on the base. I don't know the age and type of ware this is either.
  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I think it would be a good idea for you to view this video from Peter Combs, Frank.

    That first plate does not appear to be Rose Canton.

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  6. tie.dye.cat

    tie.dye.cat Well-Known Member

    I believe this is your mark on the first item:


    If you go to this link and scroll down to #335, there's ones close to it that are similar, if not the same: #260, 1377, 414 & 1372. Dates range from the 1930's-90's.


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  7. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Frank & Everybody-I guess this is perennially one of our most popular questions: 'What does this Chinese or Japanese Chop/Mark/Sig mean ?(& am I a millionaire yet ;))
    P.S.-I'll be listing my mystery Japanese Pottery soon.
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I'm with Stiftgasse, it is Rose Canton.
    Both are apocryphic Qianlong marks, but the one you found is different from OP's and from a different, later period.
    Many Chinese (and even other) porcelain items are marked with the Qianlong mark, but they are rarely of the period.

    Emperor Qianlong was a very important patron of the arts, and during his reign Chinese arts flourished like never before. Which is why he is associated with art and beauty and why his mark has been copied so much.
  9. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    I think many Chinese craftsmen might have a different idea of attribution/antiquity than we in the West.Things superbly & accurately crafted w/ a 16th century 'chop' may be considered more of a homage than a counterfeit.
    PS-Naturally,as anywhere-there are true counterfeiters.
    PSS-Comments welcome re the Chinese 'mindset' to age & antiquitiy.
  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. That is why these marks are also sometimes called 'honorific'.

    But the most important part of my post was that the OP's hand written mark is not the same as the stamped red mark with the double cartouche, which is of a later period.
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  11. Jose Deleon

    Jose Deleon Active Member

    Qianlong export that mark had to be added later they don't mark export plates. Nice one thou
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