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<p>[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 242877, member: 44"]According to the following link:</p><p><br /></p><p>Tunis Bergen's <i>Genealogies of the State of New York, a Record of Their Achievements</i>..., Vol. 2, 1915, page 569.</p><p>Starts near the bottom of the left column at "(VI) Richard Donly"</p><p><a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=wekpAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA569&lpg=PA569&dq=photographer+Fred+Crum,+watkins,+ny&source=bl&ots=-JFWMM6E7x&sig=GGy9PmiZzIwZDufiD5Ec5GOiGmk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj109m9voTUAhVmslQKHeihC4IQ6AEILTAF#v=onepage&q=photographer%20Fred%20Crum%2C%20watkins%2C%20ny&f=false" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://books.google.com/books?id=wekpAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA569&lpg=PA569&dq=photographer+Fred+Crum,+watkins,+ny&source=bl&ots=-JFWMM6E7x&sig=GGy9PmiZzIwZDufiD5Ec5GOiGmk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj109m9voTUAhVmslQKHeihC4IQ6AEILTAF#v=onepage&q=photographer%20Fred%20Crum%2C%20watkins%2C%20ny&f=false" rel="nofollow">https://books.google.com/books?id=wekpAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA569&lpg=PA569&dq=photographer+Fred+Crum,+watkins,+ny&source=bl&ots=-JFWMM6E7x&sig=GGy9PmiZzIwZDufiD5Ec5GOiGmk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj109m9voTUAhVmslQKHeihC4IQ6AEILTAF#v=onepage&q=photographer Fred Crum, watkins, ny&f=false</a></p><p><br /></p><p>R.D. (Richard Donly) Crum, born 1831 NYC, was wheelwright in Watkins, NY. In 1853 he took up photography because of ill health. He was a photographer for 50 years until he retired. In 1898 he and his family moved to NJ. He had 4 children, 3 girls and 1 son, Fred. Fred was born in 1858 in Watkins, NY. He was a photographer also.</p><p><br /></p><p>The following has a R.L. Crum & Son:</p><p>"CRUM, R. L.</p><p>Crum, R. L. & Son, photographers, Watkins, NY (1890s-1905) cab image "</p><p><br /></p><p>*and* a</p><p><br /></p><p>"CRUM, RICHARD D.</p><p>Crum, Richard D., photographer, (Watkins) Dix, NY (1859) NY State Business Directory; R. D. Crum, R. D., photographer, Nearly opp. The Jefferson House, Watkins, NY (late 1860s) "Additional copies of this picture can be had at any time", cdv image; Richard D. Crum, photographist, Watkins, Dix, NY (1870) Sampson Davenport NY State Business Directory; R. D. Crum, photographer, Watkins, NY (1890s) cab image notched edge"</p><p><br /></p><p>Need to scroll way down to the CRUM listings:</p><p><a href="http://www.langdonroad.com/cri-to-cy" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.langdonroad.com/cri-to-cy" rel="nofollow">http://www.langdonroad.com/cri-to-cy</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Sooooooo it appears there were 2 Crums in Watkins, NY each with a son who was a photographer - R.D. Crum and a R.L. Crum & Son!!! R.L with son were in Watkins, NY in 1890s-1905. According for the Genealogies of NY, R.D. Crum moved to NJ in 1898. Well... none of this really helps on dating this CDV.</p><p><br /></p><p>--- Susan[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 242877, member: 44"]According to the following link: Tunis Bergen's [I]Genealogies of the State of New York, a Record of Their Achievements[/I]..., Vol. 2, 1915, page 569. Starts near the bottom of the left column at "(VI) Richard Donly" [URL='https://books.google.com/books?id=wekpAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA569&lpg=PA569&dq=photographer+Fred+Crum,+watkins,+ny&source=bl&ots=-JFWMM6E7x&sig=GGy9PmiZzIwZDufiD5Ec5GOiGmk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj109m9voTUAhVmslQKHeihC4IQ6AEILTAF#v=onepage&q=photographer%20Fred%20Crum%2C%20watkins%2C%20ny&f=false']https://books.google.com/books?id=wekpAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA569&lpg=PA569&dq=photographer+Fred+Crum,+watkins,+ny&source=bl&ots=-JFWMM6E7x&sig=GGy9PmiZzIwZDufiD5Ec5GOiGmk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj109m9voTUAhVmslQKHeihC4IQ6AEILTAF#v=onepage&q=photographer Fred Crum, watkins, ny&f=false[/URL] R.D. (Richard Donly) Crum, born 1831 NYC, was wheelwright in Watkins, NY. In 1853 he took up photography because of ill health. He was a photographer for 50 years until he retired. In 1898 he and his family moved to NJ. He had 4 children, 3 girls and 1 son, Fred. Fred was born in 1858 in Watkins, NY. He was a photographer also. The following has a R.L. Crum & Son: "CRUM, R. L. Crum, R. L. & Son, photographers, Watkins, NY (1890s-1905) cab image " *and* a "CRUM, RICHARD D. Crum, Richard D., photographer, (Watkins) Dix, NY (1859) NY State Business Directory; R. D. Crum, R. D., photographer, Nearly opp. The Jefferson House, Watkins, NY (late 1860s) "Additional copies of this picture can be had at any time", cdv image; Richard D. Crum, photographist, Watkins, Dix, NY (1870) Sampson Davenport NY State Business Directory; R. D. Crum, photographer, Watkins, NY (1890s) cab image notched edge" Need to scroll way down to the CRUM listings: [URL]http://www.langdonroad.com/cri-to-cy[/URL] Sooooooo it appears there were 2 Crums in Watkins, NY each with a son who was a photographer - R.D. Crum and a R.L. Crum & Son!!! R.L with son were in Watkins, NY in 1890s-1905. According for the Genealogies of NY, R.D. Crum moved to NJ in 1898. Well... none of this really helps on dating this CDV. --- Susan[/QUOTE]
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