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<p>[QUOTE="2manybooks, post: 10221171, member: 8267"]The insignia (2 chevrons) in the photo is for a corporal. If it is the same man who became a quartermaster sergeant, he may have briefly held the rank of corporal before being promoted to quartermaster. But it also seems the rank badge for a quartermaster was not formalized during this period -</p><p>"The company quartermaster sergeant wore three chevrons with a single straight tie in worsted. Although worn by volunteer cavalry from 1862, this rank badge was not incorporated into United States military regulations until 1866."</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartermaster_sergeant#:~:text=Later%20quartermaster%20sergeants,-In%201889%20the&text=In%201902%20the%20rank%20was,colour%20during%20World%20War%20I" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartermaster_sergeant#:~:text=Later%20quartermaster%20sergeants,-In%201889%20the&text=In%201902%20the%20rank%20was,colour%20during%20World%20War%20I" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartermaster_sergeant#:~:text=Later quartermaster sergeants,-In 1889 the&text=In 1902 the rank was,colour during World War I</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>In the <u>History of the 4th Illinois Cavalry Regiment</u>, written by Phineas Orlando Avery (of Company I, 4th IL) and published in 1903, Henry L. Cleveland is listed as the Company Quartermaster Sergeant for Company A. (This is also indicated in the link that Roaring provided.)</p><p><br /></p><p>From Avery's History -</p><p>"On the 26th day of September. 1861, the regiment was</p><p>mustered into the United States Military service and on</p><p>November 4th, took its line of march for Springfield, where</p><p>it received its arms, which were not removed from their</p><p>cases, however, until the command arrived at Cairo.</p><p><br /></p><p>The regiment left Ottawa with 1050 enlisted men and</p><p>46 officers. Three years later, when we returned to Spring-</p><p>field to be mustered out, we had 340 men, exclusive of 116</p><p>that re-enlisted and a few that received commissions in</p><p>colored regiments."</p><p><a href="https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Henry L. Cleveland was discharged October 2, 1862 due to disability, so he only served about a year before being seriously injured, one of many in a very high casualty rate for the Regiment. I wonder if his injury was ultimately the cause of his death 2 years later (as indicated on the photo).</p><p><br /></p><p>Two other Clevelands are included in the roster for the 4th IL Cavalry Regiment as privates, George Cleveland (Company I, discharged Aug. 5, 1862) and John Cleveland (Company I, mustered out Nov. 3, 1864). </p><p><br /></p><p>I can't tell if they were related to Henry, but the notations on the photograph say Henry was "father of Henry and George". It is unclear how old any of these men were at the time but, if related, it seems more likely that George and John might be brothers to Henry, and the child George named after his uncle. </p><p><br /></p><p>I could not find either George Cleveland or John Cleveland listed in the rosters reproduced in the illinoisgenweb.org site, only in Avery's History of the Regiment.</p><p><a href="https://illinoisgenweb.org/civilwar/reg_html/cav_004.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://illinoisgenweb.org/civilwar/reg_html/cav_004.html" rel="nofollow">https://illinoisgenweb.org/civilwar/reg_html/cav_004.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>John Cleveland is mentioned in one anecdote included by Avery -</p><p>"May 4th — The army moved again and we camped that</p><p>night near the state line. We had just got our tents</p><p>pitched when the effective mounted force of Company I</p><p>was ordered out on picket, without their suppers. We</p><p>expected to be relieved soon but we were not relieved</p><p>until ten o'clock the next morning. We were stationed</p><p>along a road on the state line, that, we were told, some</p><p>rebel troops would probably pass along- that nig-ht. We</p><p>sat on our horses all nig-ht in a drizzling- rain, two in a</p><p>place, a few rods apart and ordered to be very vigilant.</p><p>My comrade, <b><i>John Cleveland</i></b>, leaned over on his horse and</p><p>slept until morning, I did not sleep a minute. We did not</p><p>see or hear anyone, not even the "grand rounds.""</p><p><a href="https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt" rel="nofollow">https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="2manybooks, post: 10221171, member: 8267"]The insignia (2 chevrons) in the photo is for a corporal. If it is the same man who became a quartermaster sergeant, he may have briefly held the rank of corporal before being promoted to quartermaster. But it also seems the rank badge for a quartermaster was not formalized during this period - "The company quartermaster sergeant wore three chevrons with a single straight tie in worsted. Although worn by volunteer cavalry from 1862, this rank badge was not incorporated into United States military regulations until 1866." [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartermaster_sergeant#:~:text=Later%20quartermaster%20sergeants,-In%201889%20the&text=In%201902%20the%20rank%20was,colour%20during%20World%20War%20I[/URL]. In the [U]History of the 4th Illinois Cavalry Regiment[/U], written by Phineas Orlando Avery (of Company I, 4th IL) and published in 1903, Henry L. Cleveland is listed as the Company Quartermaster Sergeant for Company A. (This is also indicated in the link that Roaring provided.) From Avery's History - "On the 26th day of September. 1861, the regiment was mustered into the United States Military service and on November 4th, took its line of march for Springfield, where it received its arms, which were not removed from their cases, however, until the command arrived at Cairo. The regiment left Ottawa with 1050 enlisted men and 46 officers. Three years later, when we returned to Spring- field to be mustered out, we had 340 men, exclusive of 116 that re-enlisted and a few that received commissions in colored regiments." [URL]https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt[/URL] Henry L. Cleveland was discharged October 2, 1862 due to disability, so he only served about a year before being seriously injured, one of many in a very high casualty rate for the Regiment. I wonder if his injury was ultimately the cause of his death 2 years later (as indicated on the photo). Two other Clevelands are included in the roster for the 4th IL Cavalry Regiment as privates, George Cleveland (Company I, discharged Aug. 5, 1862) and John Cleveland (Company I, mustered out Nov. 3, 1864). I can't tell if they were related to Henry, but the notations on the photograph say Henry was "father of Henry and George". It is unclear how old any of these men were at the time but, if related, it seems more likely that George and John might be brothers to Henry, and the child George named after his uncle. I could not find either George Cleveland or John Cleveland listed in the rosters reproduced in the illinoisgenweb.org site, only in Avery's History of the Regiment. [URL]https://illinoisgenweb.org/civilwar/reg_html/cav_004.html[/URL] John Cleveland is mentioned in one anecdote included by Avery - "May 4th — The army moved again and we camped that night near the state line. We had just got our tents pitched when the effective mounted force of Company I was ordered out on picket, without their suppers. We expected to be relieved soon but we were not relieved until ten o'clock the next morning. We were stationed along a road on the state line, that, we were told, some rebel troops would probably pass along- that nig-ht. We sat on our horses all nig-ht in a drizzling- rain, two in a place, a few rods apart and ordered to be very vigilant. My comrade, [B][I]John Cleveland[/I][/B], leaned over on his horse and slept until morning, I did not sleep a minute. We did not see or hear anyone, not even the "grand rounds."" [URL]https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt[/URL][/QUOTE]
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