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<p>[QUOTE="Vern, post: 33792, member: 347"]I would have to second the Thai theory.</p><p><br /></p><p>Straw hats are fairly common there. I am not familiar with sawing tusks for working bulls, but I am fairly familiar with elephants as a biologist and armchair elephant lover. In that, I suppose I find bliss in ignorance not knowing they are cutting them like this. We had one here at a zoo, in Alaska. I helped with some of the logistics of getting her out of here. This is no place for an elephant, only mammoths.. Hahaha. I actually found some fossilized mammoth tusk this year.</p><p><br /></p><p>The scientist and lover in me hopes that the tusks were left off of this statue or broken off. The kind of agony one of these loving creatures would endure having them sawed is hard to imagine. Think getting one of your teeth cut off short and left that way… It isn't quite the same but for all we humans know it could be worse. You could end up with a severely traumatized and agonized beast that would be hard to break. I don't even like to think about the breaking, but that may be more brutal than tusk removal. i keep that out of mind.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyhow, the padding under the middle rider appears Asian or Indian style. My eyes are bad, but I see this as a piece from Thailand or Malaysia. The metal working seems to fit that region too. </p><p><br /></p><p>Dating. I don't know. Could be modern or could be very old in my opinion. Elephants have been part of their culture for a long time. Safe to assume that this was post some western interaction due to the hat style. </p><p><br /></p><p>I could be way off, but it is neat piece. Could you confirm for me that the tusks were intentionally that short in the sculpture and not broken somehow? Poor thing. </p><p><br /></p><p>I still don't understand why people value ivory from these guys, walruses, and others. It is one thing to salvage the parts of a dead animal for all they can be used for, but just obtaining tusks as a trophy piece is beyond superficial and absolutely unrepresentative of stewarding the Earth. Some people still hunt walruses here, take their head and oosik, then leave the rest. I'm a hunter myself, but I will not take a creature I cannot use. </p><p><br /></p><p>Sorry about the tangent, it is just so sad to experience and witness the pride and greed of humans take them to very apathetic and desperate lengths.</p><p><br /></p><p>I say do not clean you statue at all and if you really want a date let a university dig a little in the nooks and crannies.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vern, post: 33792, member: 347"]I would have to second the Thai theory. Straw hats are fairly common there. I am not familiar with sawing tusks for working bulls, but I am fairly familiar with elephants as a biologist and armchair elephant lover. In that, I suppose I find bliss in ignorance not knowing they are cutting them like this. We had one here at a zoo, in Alaska. I helped with some of the logistics of getting her out of here. This is no place for an elephant, only mammoths.. Hahaha. I actually found some fossilized mammoth tusk this year. The scientist and lover in me hopes that the tusks were left off of this statue or broken off. The kind of agony one of these loving creatures would endure having them sawed is hard to imagine. Think getting one of your teeth cut off short and left that way… It isn't quite the same but for all we humans know it could be worse. You could end up with a severely traumatized and agonized beast that would be hard to break. I don't even like to think about the breaking, but that may be more brutal than tusk removal. i keep that out of mind. Anyhow, the padding under the middle rider appears Asian or Indian style. My eyes are bad, but I see this as a piece from Thailand or Malaysia. The metal working seems to fit that region too. Dating. I don't know. Could be modern or could be very old in my opinion. Elephants have been part of their culture for a long time. Safe to assume that this was post some western interaction due to the hat style. I could be way off, but it is neat piece. Could you confirm for me that the tusks were intentionally that short in the sculpture and not broken somehow? Poor thing. I still don't understand why people value ivory from these guys, walruses, and others. It is one thing to salvage the parts of a dead animal for all they can be used for, but just obtaining tusks as a trophy piece is beyond superficial and absolutely unrepresentative of stewarding the Earth. Some people still hunt walruses here, take their head and oosik, then leave the rest. I'm a hunter myself, but I will not take a creature I cannot use. Sorry about the tangent, it is just so sad to experience and witness the pride and greed of humans take them to very apathetic and desperate lengths. I say do not clean you statue at all and if you really want a date let a university dig a little in the nooks and crannies.[/QUOTE]
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