Featured Cup gilt sword/rapier

Discussion in 'Militaria' started by J Dagger, Sep 2, 2023.

  1. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    It has a sharp end so I guess more of a sword than a fencing implement. It doesn’t seem to be very new, but doesn’t seem incredibly old either. 19th or early 20th maybe? Possibly older? Nary a mark to be found on my first look over. Thoughts appreciated. Rarely do I pay up for something at a thrift store but I gave them a couple Jackson’s for it on a whim. Germany, Spain, and France appear to be the source for many. Don’t really have a feeling towards any of these strongly for this one. Germany if I had a rapier to my head I suppose. 1FE803CE-96CF-457A-9151-2C1994755E2F.jpeg 16AEE11E-0CE2-4B5C-A635-93430D6B4766.jpeg FF29952D-F5BA-4E4C-AF90-CA3BA96751D7.jpeg ADB41318-C2CA-4B79-B449-4E2F77393857.jpeg 9E2755AD-226B-4B2B-8A89-610AC74DDF95.jpeg
     
  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    hilt Spanish, German blade........from the MMA....
     
  4. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    All sounds good to me, thanks. Mine looks more like it never had a knuckle guard than that it had one that’s now missing, right? My title was supposed to read “hilt” not “gilt”.
     
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  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    right......far as I can see....
    not all have a guard....


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    I just think that yours looks like one that should...


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  6. the blacksmith

    the blacksmith Well-Known Member

    Quite recent modern copy I am afraid.
    A sword like this with a cup as a guard would normally have the extra guard for the hand. If the guard were flater and not cup shaped, then a straight guard, or quillon, like this sword has would be correct. This type of sword, though still a rapier, is usually called an estoc, and would date to ca. 1630.
    The cup hilt rapier and the estoc were both in use at the same time, though the estoc appears to have been more common in Germany.
     
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  7. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    If you stabbed someone with that rusty blade you would give them blood poisoning :rolleyes:
     
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  8. the blacksmith

    the blacksmith Well-Known Member

    If you get stabbed with that, blood poisioning is probably not high on your list of priorities! :rolleyes::smuggrin:

    Actually, many of the latin countries in particular, often used a dagger with a small hole through the tip. This was filled with excrement or some other such nasty, so that even in the event that you didn't kill your adversary there and then, he would eventually seccumb, and painfully later on! So much for chivalry eh!
     
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  9. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    That’s totally fine. I didn’t think I was buying a period correct piece. I’m totally happy with it being a 20th century copy. I should still do fine on it. I would have been happy to be surprised with it being older but wasn’t banking on it. Any guess to how recent you’d think it is?
     
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  10. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    I can’t literally be en garde :(
     
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  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Touche' ..........
     
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  12. the blacksmith

    the blacksmith Well-Known Member

    Ok, I'll reposte with this......

    I would think that this piece is perhaps 50 years old, but that is about it I am afraid.
     
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