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<p>[QUOTE="blooey, post: 1027732, member: 12007"]Well I hate to suggest it, but maybe you <i>have </i>led a sheltered life ...<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie24" alt=":blackeye:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Those examples you keep posting are beautiful - and of course, top of the tree and the best examples of their type. What you are not necessarily taking into consideration is that even though the important and prolific workshops made these pieces, lesser potteries existed too.</p><p><br /></p><p>Not everyone lived in the cities and could afford to buy the best - even in the old days there were workshops catering to less affluent folks who also needed plates - just like today. Not everyone eats off fine bone china.</p><p><br /></p><p>The design is bold? Yes. Quickly applied and mass-produced to a price point? Yes. </p><p><br /></p><p>Similar to my Wanli Ming charger, this plate was not made for a rich merchant, but for the common folk. The "traditional" vase of flowers motif, (originally an oriental design element) has been reduced to a simplified form but still retains it's basic composition - a central flower in full bloom flanked by smaller flowers in a ribbed vase.</p><p><br /></p><p>I realize you do not want to be convinced the plate is Dutch, but this same bold motif with the same basic form is commonly found on old Dutch tiles, e.g. the top line of tiles on the page linked below. If you scroll even further down you will also see other interpretations of the design with varying degrees of simplification:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=antique+dutch+delft&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CaWXPnASiREHImCROzzltws-HvtcT9FGBHPc75N_1XdUf0AKe37bA3A5Z6_1y9-NbAx45T-hUi8MRp5u1KwbHLB8_11NxnsQXdGq-hod9kyZeBF-tC7Cxx95nMU_15wl_1M743FdaJDXVFFW_1kCwqEgmROzzltws-HhHjsGe6bnHWZyoSCftcT9FGBHPcEf8M4qzzFcg8KhIJ75N_1XdUf0AIRb7yYDjoT5asqEgme37bA3A5Z6xEDyRg_1gnjBfyoSCfy9-NbAx45TEexaxaGCZGLoKhIJ-hUi8MRp5u0R2_1Iwzaw_1u3EqEglKwbHLB8_11NxEUSyQvJsHbQSoSCRnsQXdGq-hoETxJOplncjOwKhIJd9kyZeBF-tARWVD4pypJft0qEgm7Cxx95nMU_1xEAa3kskAiHUyoSCZwl_1M743FdaEU3ghsyh0rGSKhIJJDXVFFW_1kCwRnwuKRXvsY8U&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOrvbm05TlAhVBLn0KHR6hCngQrnZ6BAgBEBM&biw=1343&bih=733&dpr=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?q=antique+dutch+delft&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CaWXPnASiREHImCROzzltws-HvtcT9FGBHPc75N_1XdUf0AKe37bA3A5Z6_1y9-NbAx45T-hUi8MRp5u1KwbHLB8_11NxnsQXdGq-hod9kyZeBF-tC7Cxx95nMU_15wl_1M743FdaJDXVFFW_1kCwqEgmROzzltws-HhHjsGe6bnHWZyoSCftcT9FGBHPcEf8M4qzzFcg8KhIJ75N_1XdUf0AIRb7yYDjoT5asqEgme37bA3A5Z6xEDyRg_1gnjBfyoSCfy9-NbAx45TEexaxaGCZGLoKhIJ-hUi8MRp5u0R2_1Iwzaw_1u3EqEglKwbHLB8_11NxEUSyQvJsHbQSoSCRnsQXdGq-hoETxJOplncjOwKhIJd9kyZeBF-tARWVD4pypJft0qEgm7Cxx95nMU_1xEAa3kskAiHUyoSCZwl_1M743FdaEU3ghsyh0rGSKhIJJDXVFFW_1kCwRnwuKRXvsY8U&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOrvbm05TlAhVBLn0KHR6hCngQrnZ6BAgBEBM&biw=1343&bih=733&dpr=1" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?q=antique+dutch+delft&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CaWXPnASiREHImCROzzltws-HvtcT9FGBHPc75N_1XdUf0AKe37bA3A5Z6_1y9-NbAx45T-hUi8MRp5u1KwbHLB8_11NxnsQXdGq-hod9kyZeBF-tC7Cxx95nMU_15wl_1M743FdaJDXVFFW_1kCwqEgmROzzltws-HhHjsGe6bnHWZyoSCftcT9FGBHPcEf8M4qzzFcg8KhIJ75N_1XdUf0AIRb7yYDjoT5asqEgme37bA3A5Z6xEDyRg_1gnjBfyoSCfy9-NbAx45TEexaxaGCZGLoKhIJ-hUi8MRp5u0R2_1Iwzaw_1u3EqEglKwbHLB8_11NxEUSyQvJsHbQSoSCRnsQXdGq-hoETxJOplncjOwKhIJd9kyZeBF-tARWVD4pypJft0qEgm7Cxx95nMU_1xEAa3kskAiHUyoSCZwl_1M743FdaEU3ghsyh0rGSKhIJJDXVFFW_1kCwRnwuKRXvsY8U&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOrvbm05TlAhVBLn0KHR6hCngQrnZ6BAgBEBM&biw=1343&bih=733&dpr=1</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="blooey, post: 1027732, member: 12007"]Well I hate to suggest it, but maybe you [I]have [/I]led a sheltered life ...:blackeye: Those examples you keep posting are beautiful - and of course, top of the tree and the best examples of their type. What you are not necessarily taking into consideration is that even though the important and prolific workshops made these pieces, lesser potteries existed too. Not everyone lived in the cities and could afford to buy the best - even in the old days there were workshops catering to less affluent folks who also needed plates - just like today. Not everyone eats off fine bone china. The design is bold? Yes. Quickly applied and mass-produced to a price point? Yes. Similar to my Wanli Ming charger, this plate was not made for a rich merchant, but for the common folk. The "traditional" vase of flowers motif, (originally an oriental design element) has been reduced to a simplified form but still retains it's basic composition - a central flower in full bloom flanked by smaller flowers in a ribbed vase. I realize you do not want to be convinced the plate is Dutch, but this same bold motif with the same basic form is commonly found on old Dutch tiles, e.g. the top line of tiles on the page linked below. If you scroll even further down you will also see other interpretations of the design with varying degrees of simplification: [URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=antique+dutch+delft&client=firefox-b-d&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CaWXPnASiREHImCROzzltws-HvtcT9FGBHPc75N_1XdUf0AKe37bA3A5Z6_1y9-NbAx45T-hUi8MRp5u1KwbHLB8_11NxnsQXdGq-hod9kyZeBF-tC7Cxx95nMU_15wl_1M743FdaJDXVFFW_1kCwqEgmROzzltws-HhHjsGe6bnHWZyoSCftcT9FGBHPcEf8M4qzzFcg8KhIJ75N_1XdUf0AIRb7yYDjoT5asqEgme37bA3A5Z6xEDyRg_1gnjBfyoSCfy9-NbAx45TEexaxaGCZGLoKhIJ-hUi8MRp5u0R2_1Iwzaw_1u3EqEglKwbHLB8_11NxEUSyQvJsHbQSoSCRnsQXdGq-hoETxJOplncjOwKhIJd9kyZeBF-tARWVD4pypJft0qEgm7Cxx95nMU_1xEAa3kskAiHUyoSCZwl_1M743FdaEU3ghsyh0rGSKhIJJDXVFFW_1kCwRnwuKRXvsY8U&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOrvbm05TlAhVBLn0KHR6hCngQrnZ6BAgBEBM&biw=1343&bih=733&dpr=1[/URL][/QUOTE]
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