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<p>[QUOTE="Chris Marshall, post: 4003711, member: 206"]Just taking your post as example, no offense.</p><p><br /></p><p>"Royal Vienna" never did, as these items are not - in any way - related with what the original Royal Viennese porcelain factory ever made. Even the imitation of the RV style has long passed its limits. Please forget this unbelievable "beehive = Royal Vienna" nonsense; first of all it's not even a 'beehive', even if it may appear as a stylized skep for the uneducated viewer. It's also often incorrectly depicted as standing on its head. Check the Austrian origin of the 'Bindenschild' ("banded shield") - which is part of their imperial crest - for the real deal. See it with the flat side down somewhere and you know there's something wrong.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, the last true Royal Vienna items were picked off of the free market well over a hundred years ago. Claims of "orginal RV" and such, nowadays, are plain bullshit. Pardon my French.</p><p><br /></p><p>The "beehive" marking means zilch, even if it was at first used by decoration studios to indicate that a design was based on the Royal Vienna style; don't forget that it was later also copied and used by many Asian producers. Even the term "style" in this context can be seen as more than heavily diluted, thus meaningless, nowadays.</p><p><br /></p><p>---</p><p><br /></p><p>People seem to believe that a front face signature represents the true decoration artist and is somehow related with the producer. This is also incorrect.</p><p><br /></p><p>These signatures point towards the artist which created the original oil painting after which the template for the transfer was made. It was the law to include the artist's signature in such cases as these painters had often died long ago; it was a from of posthumous honouring of their talent.</p><p><br /></p><p>This also explains why so many different producers or decorators show patterns "created" by one and the same artist (see Kaufmann, Fragonard, Watteau)... the transfers were openly marketed and sold in large numbers, meaning that every Tom, Dick and Harry could buy and use them. Which happened frequently, so trying to hunt down a producer via the front signature is actually quite a waste of time.</p><p><br /></p><p>---</p><p>Sorry If I'm treading on a few toes here.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Chris Marshall, post: 4003711, member: 206"]Just taking your post as example, no offense. "Royal Vienna" never did, as these items are not - in any way - related with what the original Royal Viennese porcelain factory ever made. Even the imitation of the RV style has long passed its limits. Please forget this unbelievable "beehive = Royal Vienna" nonsense; first of all it's not even a 'beehive', even if it may appear as a stylized skep for the uneducated viewer. It's also often incorrectly depicted as standing on its head. Check the Austrian origin of the 'Bindenschild' ("banded shield") - which is part of their imperial crest - for the real deal. See it with the flat side down somewhere and you know there's something wrong. Also, the last true Royal Vienna items were picked off of the free market well over a hundred years ago. Claims of "orginal RV" and such, nowadays, are plain bullshit. Pardon my French. The "beehive" marking means zilch, even if it was at first used by decoration studios to indicate that a design was based on the Royal Vienna style; don't forget that it was later also copied and used by many Asian producers. Even the term "style" in this context can be seen as more than heavily diluted, thus meaningless, nowadays. --- People seem to believe that a front face signature represents the true decoration artist and is somehow related with the producer. This is also incorrect. These signatures point towards the artist which created the original oil painting after which the template for the transfer was made. It was the law to include the artist's signature in such cases as these painters had often died long ago; it was a from of posthumous honouring of their talent. This also explains why so many different producers or decorators show patterns "created" by one and the same artist (see Kaufmann, Fragonard, Watteau)... the transfers were openly marketed and sold in large numbers, meaning that every Tom, Dick and Harry could buy and use them. Which happened frequently, so trying to hunt down a producer via the front signature is actually quite a waste of time. --- Sorry If I'm treading on a few toes here.[/QUOTE]
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