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<p>[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 242812, member: 44"]I have several pieces of 101/One-O-One/One Hundred & One/Beaded 101,.... I have seen it attributed to Geo. Duncan & Son and Duncan-Miller by reputable sources. I know the Duncans are the same, but don't know whether to include the Miller in the name. It seems Miller became a stock holder in 1890, and as this pattern is dated by most sources as c1885. it seems too close to call date-wise as to Geo. Duncan or Duncan-Miller. eapgpatterns.com says "possibly George Duncan & Sons" with the following comment.</p><p><br /></p><p>"The attribution to George Duncan and Sons Glass Co. is unproven based on a scrapbook kept by Augustine H. Heisey when he was associated with the Duncan factory. Other patterns shown on this page of the scrapbook are: Duncans <i>Three Face</i> pickle jar; <i>#335</i> Toilet Set; <i>Leo XIII</i> Candlestil. Heacock estimates the date of the page as 1880-1882 which shows a <i>4-inch Panel Nappy,</i> so it is possible that <i>Panel</i> is the original name. He notes differences from 101, and that the sauce is scribbled over--indicating it may have been rejected. Dori Miles. (She has no doubt that <i>Panel</i> is the pattern name. <i>No further idication of the manufacturer of this pattern has been found.</i>)"</p><p><br /></p><p>Other online source:</p><p>8th row down, right column: Geo. Duncan.</p><p><a href="http://www.patternglass.com/Store/Creamers/Page2.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.patternglass.com/Store/Creamers/Page2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.patternglass.com/Store/Creamers/Page2.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>2nd question: I have two 101 creamers. I always thought they were the same until a month or so ago. Differences: One is taller, slightly narrower, narrower mouth, the fluting around bottom isn't as distinct as the other, and has a wave/notch on each side of the top rim. The other is slightly shorter, wider, wider mouth, fluting around the bottom distinctive, and the top rim is plain. Similarities: Both have 3 mold seams in the same location and the design of the 101 is identical on both. I have found both of them on the web attributed to Duncan & Miller and Geo. Duncan & Son. eapgpatterns and patternglass have a pic of the taller, narrower, notches on top rim 101 creamer. Reilly & Jenks' <i>Early American Pattern Glass</i>, 2nd Edition, pp. 346-347, says maker was George Duncan & Son, Pittsburgh, PA, c1885. The one reproduction mentioned is a Goblet. One one creamer is listed under "Known items." Darn, no measurements or pic of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's one without the notches online:</p><p><a href="http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/1922784506.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/1922784506.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/1922784506.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Following are my 2 creamers. I certainly appreciate opinions as to whether both are 101 by Duncan, one a reproduction, or one by another company.</p><p><br /></p><p>--- Susan</p><p><br /></p><p>Taller, narrower, notches on top rim. Stands 5" at highest point, 4½" from handle to spout.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]74369[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Shorter and wider. Stands 4 3/4" at highest point, 5" from handle to spout.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]74370[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 242812, member: 44"]I have several pieces of 101/One-O-One/One Hundred & One/Beaded 101,.... I have seen it attributed to Geo. Duncan & Son and Duncan-Miller by reputable sources. I know the Duncans are the same, but don't know whether to include the Miller in the name. It seems Miller became a stock holder in 1890, and as this pattern is dated by most sources as c1885. it seems too close to call date-wise as to Geo. Duncan or Duncan-Miller. eapgpatterns.com says "possibly George Duncan & Sons" with the following comment. "The attribution to George Duncan and Sons Glass Co. is unproven based on a scrapbook kept by Augustine H. Heisey when he was associated with the Duncan factory. Other patterns shown on this page of the scrapbook are: Duncans [I]Three Face[/I] pickle jar; [I]#335[/I] Toilet Set; [I]Leo XIII[/I] Candlestil. Heacock estimates the date of the page as 1880-1882 which shows a [I]4-inch Panel Nappy,[/I] so it is possible that [I]Panel[/I] is the original name. He notes differences from 101, and that the sauce is scribbled over--indicating it may have been rejected. Dori Miles. (She has no doubt that [I]Panel[/I] is the pattern name. [I]No further idication of the manufacturer of this pattern has been found.[/I])" Other online source: 8th row down, right column: Geo. Duncan. [URL]http://www.patternglass.com/Store/Creamers/Page2.htm[/URL] 2nd question: I have two 101 creamers. I always thought they were the same until a month or so ago. Differences: One is taller, slightly narrower, narrower mouth, the fluting around bottom isn't as distinct as the other, and has a wave/notch on each side of the top rim. The other is slightly shorter, wider, wider mouth, fluting around the bottom distinctive, and the top rim is plain. Similarities: Both have 3 mold seams in the same location and the design of the 101 is identical on both. I have found both of them on the web attributed to Duncan & Miller and Geo. Duncan & Son. eapgpatterns and patternglass have a pic of the taller, narrower, notches on top rim 101 creamer. Reilly & Jenks' [I]Early American Pattern Glass[/I], 2nd Edition, pp. 346-347, says maker was George Duncan & Son, Pittsburgh, PA, c1885. The one reproduction mentioned is a Goblet. One one creamer is listed under "Known items." Darn, no measurements or pic of it. Here's one without the notches online: [URL]http://www.tias.com/11273/PictPage/1922784506.html[/URL] Following are my 2 creamers. I certainly appreciate opinions as to whether both are 101 by Duncan, one a reproduction, or one by another company. --- Susan Taller, narrower, notches on top rim. Stands 5" at highest point, 4½" from handle to spout. [ATTACH=full]74369[/ATTACH] Shorter and wider. Stands 4 3/4" at highest point, 5" from handle to spout. [ATTACH=full]74370[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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