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<p>[QUOTE="Silver, post: 2292560, member: 6202"]Good Day</p><p><br /></p><p>I wonder if someone knowledgeable about Egyptian silver marks would be able to provide information on this fiddle pattern teaspoon. (I call it fiddle pattern for convenience, but it is not quite fiddle pattern since it lacks the usual shoulders near the base of the stem).</p><p><br /></p><p>From what I know of the history of this piece it was likely purchased in Egypt during the first half of the Twentieth Century by a collector of silver and other interesting artifacts.</p><p><br /></p><p>The mark in the centre would appear to be a Tughra. The mark on the left contains the elements that resemble a 9, plus a point. In Egyptian hallmarks this indicates 90% purity. Ie 900/1000.</p><p><br /></p><p>My problems with the marks on this piece are:</p><p><br /></p><ol> <li>The information I can find on the web regarding Egyptian hallmarks does not mention the inclusion of a Tughra, except on very old silver, and then it would have appeared on its own without other marks.</li> <li>In Egyptian silver the punch containing the 9 is a composite mark that also includes an arabic letter ABOVE the 9 to indicate the assay office. This mark has the Arabic letter below the 9. (And I don’t know what office, if any, it denotes). I’m assuming it is an Arabic letter, I don’t read Arabic.</li> <li>In Egyptian silver a set of hallmarks that includes the composite mark should have been accompanied by either a lotus mark or a cat mark, plus a date letter mark. It is possible that the mark in the oval punch, if viewed sideways, is a cat with a raised tail. This is one of the marks used to denote that the metal is silver, but none of the pictures of a cat with a raised tail that I have seen quite resemble this cat (if it is a cat).</li> <li>There is no date letter in English or Arabic (see previous point).</li> <li>This leaves me with the questions — are these marks Egyptian? If so, why do they differ from what appears to be the norm? If not, what jurisdiction are they from?</li> <li>Am I correct in concluding that this is a 900/1000 piece?</li> <li>What date, and assay office, do the marks indicate?</li> </ol><p>[ATTACH=full]258142[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]258143[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]258145[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]258146[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Any informed assistance would be appreciated.</p><p><br /></p><p>Michael[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Silver, post: 2292560, member: 6202"]Good Day I wonder if someone knowledgeable about Egyptian silver marks would be able to provide information on this fiddle pattern teaspoon. (I call it fiddle pattern for convenience, but it is not quite fiddle pattern since it lacks the usual shoulders near the base of the stem). From what I know of the history of this piece it was likely purchased in Egypt during the first half of the Twentieth Century by a collector of silver and other interesting artifacts. The mark in the centre would appear to be a Tughra. The mark on the left contains the elements that resemble a 9, plus a point. In Egyptian hallmarks this indicates 90% purity. Ie 900/1000. My problems with the marks on this piece are: [LIST=1] [*]The information I can find on the web regarding Egyptian hallmarks does not mention the inclusion of a Tughra, except on very old silver, and then it would have appeared on its own without other marks. [*]In Egyptian silver the punch containing the 9 is a composite mark that also includes an arabic letter ABOVE the 9 to indicate the assay office. This mark has the Arabic letter below the 9. (And I don’t know what office, if any, it denotes). I’m assuming it is an Arabic letter, I don’t read Arabic. [*]In Egyptian silver a set of hallmarks that includes the composite mark should have been accompanied by either a lotus mark or a cat mark, plus a date letter mark. It is possible that the mark in the oval punch, if viewed sideways, is a cat with a raised tail. This is one of the marks used to denote that the metal is silver, but none of the pictures of a cat with a raised tail that I have seen quite resemble this cat (if it is a cat). [*]There is no date letter in English or Arabic (see previous point). [*]This leaves me with the questions — are these marks Egyptian? If so, why do they differ from what appears to be the norm? If not, what jurisdiction are they from? [*]Am I correct in concluding that this is a 900/1000 piece? [*]What date, and assay office, do the marks indicate? [/LIST] [ATTACH=full]258142[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]258143[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]258145[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]258146[/ATTACH] Any informed assistance would be appreciated. Michael[/QUOTE]
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