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<p>[QUOTE="Iconodule, post: 10431490, member: 91417"]I thought so too, so I spent a lot of time trying to find the original painting from which this was copied. It turned out to be a much copied painting of a Violin Player dated 1518, formerly considered a Raphael and now attributed to Sebastiano del Piombo. The original and copies show a young man holding a violin bow and facing in the opposite direction. I was about to give up on finding the current owner when I found an engraving after it in the British Royal collection stating that the original painting was "recently recorded as belonging to Baron E. de Rothschild in Paris."</p><p><a href="https://albert.rct.uk/collections/raphael-collection/portraits/the-violin-player-0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://albert.rct.uk/collections/raphael-collection/portraits/the-violin-player-0" rel="nofollow">https://albert.rct.uk/collections/raphael-collection/portraits/the-violin-player-0</a> . Wikiart has a reproduction of the presumptive original without naming the owner or provenance:</p><p><a href="https://www.wikiart.org/en/sebastiano-del-piombo/the-violinist-supposed-self-portrait-1518" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.wikiart.org/en/sebastiano-del-piombo/the-violinist-supposed-self-portrait-1518" rel="nofollow">https://www.wikiart.org/en/sebastiano-del-piombo/the-violinist-supposed-self-portrait-1518#</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>Numerous copies (of varying quality) exist:</p><p><font size="3"><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&sca_esv=854cf99501f39de2&hl=en&biw=1536&bih=791&udm=2&sxsrf=AE3TifPNYXa_nZzioXbqGEXSxepVxTRDkg%3A1748146492804&ei=PJkyaJv2MMrmkvQPsu6i2Qs&ved=0ahUKEwibhOCV4b2NAxVKs4QIHTK3KLsQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&gs_lp=EgNpbWciH3NlYmFzdGlhbm8gZGVsIHBpb21ibyB2aW9saW5pc3QyBBAAGB5IkTtQwwlYzzZwAXgAkAEAmAGEAaABnxSqAQQzMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIToAL2C8ICBxAjGCcYyQLCAgYQABgKGB7CAgYQABgIGB7CAgUQABiABMICCBAAGAgYChgewgIHEAAYgAQYE8ICBhAAGBMYHsICCBAAGBMYChgewgIIEAAYExgFGB6YAwCIBgGSBwIxOaAHpHiyBwIxObgH9gvCBwYwLjE3LjLIByQ&sclient=img" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?q=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&sca_esv=854cf99501f39de2&hl=en&biw=1536&bih=791&udm=2&sxsrf=AE3TifPNYXa_nZzioXbqGEXSxepVxTRDkg%3A1748146492804&ei=PJkyaJv2MMrmkvQPsu6i2Qs&ved=0ahUKEwibhOCV4b2NAxVKs4QIHTK3KLsQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&gs_lp=EgNpbWciH3NlYmFzdGlhbm8gZGVsIHBpb21ibyB2aW9saW5pc3QyBBAAGB5IkTtQwwlYzzZwAXgAkAEAmAGEAaABnxSqAQQzMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIToAL2C8ICBxAjGCcYyQLCAgYQABgKGB7CAgYQABgIGB7CAgUQABiABMICCBAAGAgYChgewgIHEAAYgAQYE8ICBhAAGBMYHsICCBAAGBMYChgewgIIEAAYExgFGB6YAwCIBgGSBwIxOaAHpHiyBwIxObgH9gvCBwYwLjE3LjLIByQ&sclient=img" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?q=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&sca_esv=854cf99501f39de2&hl=en&biw=1536&bih=791&udm=2&sxsrf=AE3TifPNYXa_nZzioXbqGEXSxepVxTRDkg:1748146492804&ei=PJkyaJv2MMrmkvQPsu6i2Qs&ved=0ahUKEwibhOCV4b2NAxVKs4QIHTK3KLsQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&gs_lp=EgNpbWciH3NlYmFzdGlhbm8gZGVsIHBpb21ibyB2aW9saW5pc3QyBBAAGB5IkTtQwwlYzzZwAXgAkAEAmAGEAaABnxSqAQQzMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIToAL2C8ICBxAjGCcYyQLCAgYQABgKGB7CAgYQABgIGB7CAgUQABiABMICCBAAGAgYChgewgIHEAAYgAQYE8ICBhAAGBMYHsICCBAAGBMYChgewgIIEAAYExgFGB6YAwCIBgGSBwIxOaAHpHiyBwIxObgH9gvCBwYwLjE3LjLIByQ&sclient=img</a>.</font></p><p><br /></p><p>I am curious about the reverse orientation of this amateur copy. Usually that would happen with a print when the copyist forgot to reverse his drawing. Undoubtedly, this was made when the original was thought to be a self-portrait by the young Raphael.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Iconodule, post: 10431490, member: 91417"]I thought so too, so I spent a lot of time trying to find the original painting from which this was copied. It turned out to be a much copied painting of a Violin Player dated 1518, formerly considered a Raphael and now attributed to Sebastiano del Piombo. The original and copies show a young man holding a violin bow and facing in the opposite direction. I was about to give up on finding the current owner when I found an engraving after it in the British Royal collection stating that the original painting was "recently recorded as belonging to Baron E. de Rothschild in Paris." [URL]https://albert.rct.uk/collections/raphael-collection/portraits/the-violin-player-0[/URL] . Wikiart has a reproduction of the presumptive original without naming the owner or provenance: [URL='https://www.wikiart.org/en/sebastiano-del-piombo/the-violinist-supposed-self-portrait-1518']https://www.wikiart.org/en/sebastiano-del-piombo/the-violinist-supposed-self-portrait-1518#[/URL]. Numerous copies (of varying quality) exist: [SIZE=3][URL='https://www.google.com/search?q=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&sca_esv=854cf99501f39de2&hl=en&biw=1536&bih=791&udm=2&sxsrf=AE3TifPNYXa_nZzioXbqGEXSxepVxTRDkg%3A1748146492804&ei=PJkyaJv2MMrmkvQPsu6i2Qs&ved=0ahUKEwibhOCV4b2NAxVKs4QIHTK3KLsQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&gs_lp=EgNpbWciH3NlYmFzdGlhbm8gZGVsIHBpb21ibyB2aW9saW5pc3QyBBAAGB5IkTtQwwlYzzZwAXgAkAEAmAGEAaABnxSqAQQzMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIToAL2C8ICBxAjGCcYyQLCAgYQABgKGB7CAgYQABgIGB7CAgUQABiABMICCBAAGAgYChgewgIHEAAYgAQYE8ICBhAAGBMYHsICCBAAGBMYChgewgIIEAAYExgFGB6YAwCIBgGSBwIxOaAHpHiyBwIxObgH9gvCBwYwLjE3LjLIByQ&sclient=img']https://www.google.com/search?q=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&sca_esv=854cf99501f39de2&hl=en&biw=1536&bih=791&udm=2&sxsrf=AE3TifPNYXa_nZzioXbqGEXSxepVxTRDkg:1748146492804&ei=PJkyaJv2MMrmkvQPsu6i2Qs&ved=0ahUKEwibhOCV4b2NAxVKs4QIHTK3KLsQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=sebastiano+del+piombo+violinist&gs_lp=EgNpbWciH3NlYmFzdGlhbm8gZGVsIHBpb21ibyB2aW9saW5pc3QyBBAAGB5IkTtQwwlYzzZwAXgAkAEAmAGEAaABnxSqAQQzMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIToAL2C8ICBxAjGCcYyQLCAgYQABgKGB7CAgYQABgIGB7CAgUQABiABMICCBAAGAgYChgewgIHEAAYgAQYE8ICBhAAGBMYHsICCBAAGBMYChgewgIIEAAYExgFGB6YAwCIBgGSBwIxOaAHpHiyBwIxObgH9gvCBwYwLjE3LjLIByQ&sclient=img[/URL].[/SIZE] I am curious about the reverse orientation of this amateur copy. Usually that would happen with a print when the copyist forgot to reverse his drawing. Undoubtedly, this was made when the original was thought to be a self-portrait by the young Raphael.[/QUOTE]
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