Featured Expensive - yep, it cost an arm and a leg

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Vincent Montefusco, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. Here's a little teaser for all you out there.

    Many of us, particularly in UK, use this phrase a lot but few know where it originates.

    Back in the days of Henry VIII, having your portrait painted by a good artist was a great status symbol. However, as today, there were wealthy people and then super wealthy people. Having a portrait painted at all was hugely expensive so most people just had their head and shoulders in the portrait. But, if you were seriously rich you could have your whole figure immortalised in oil, as Henry famously did.

    So, the saying, it costs an arm and a leg harps back to the time when to have those limbs included in a painting massively increased the cost.

    Just a little bit of antique trivia.
     
  2. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    A little more trivia.

    There is an old Hotel/Pub in Marble Arch,London which used to have gallows adjacent.
    Prisoners were taken to the gallows (after a fair trial of course) to be hung.
    The horse drawn dray, carting the prisoner was accompanied by an armed guard, who would stop the dray outside the pub and ask the prisoner if he would like ''ONE LAST DRINK''.
    If he said YES it was referred to as ONE FOR THE ROAD
    If he declined, that prisoner was ON THE WAGON
    So there you go.

    They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot & then once a day it was taken & sold to the tannery. If you had to do this to survive you were "Piss Poor". But worse than that were the really poor folk who couldn’t even afford to buy a pot they "Didn’t have a pot to Piss in" & were the lowest of the low.

    The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be. Here are some facts about the 1500s:
    Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and they still smelled pretty good by June. However, since they were starting to smell brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odour. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.
    Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the Bath water!"

    Houses had thatched roofs, thick straw piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."
    There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

    The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, "Dirt Poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold.

    In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme: ''Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old''.
    Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "Bring home the Bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around talking and ''Chew the fat''.

    Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning & death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.
    Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or ''The Upper Crust''.

    Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of ''Holding a Wake''.
    England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house, and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift.) to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be, ''Saved by theBell'' or was considered a ''Dead Ringer''
     
  3. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    It's amazing how the internet has made these wive's tales full blown factoids
     
  4. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I love this kind of stuff!
     
    KingofThings likes this.
  5. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    they "Didn’t have a pot to Piss in"

    My version carries on 'or a window to throw it out of' referring to the habit of emptying chamber pots into the street, and the shout of 'gardez loo' (from the French, watch out for water) to warn passers by of the impending down pour.
     
    KingofThings likes this.
  6. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    hmmmm....google has a different reason for the cost an arm and a leg saying.

    http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/arm-and-a-leg.html

    A portion of the article.

    It is in fact an American phrase, coined sometime after WWII. The earliest citation I can find is from The Long Beach Independent, December 1949:

    Food Editor Beulah Karney has more than 10 ideas for the homemaker who wants to say "Merry Christmas" and not have it cost her an arm and a leg.
     
    KingofThings likes this.
  7. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    I've seen this one circulate Facebook, and as a SERIOUSLY HARDCORE history-nut, I can tell you that not all of these are true.

    For one thing, eating pork (or bacon, ham whatever) was more common than most people think. You couldn't keep pigs over winter (at least, not profitably) so it was common to butcher them in the colder months.

    The REAL luxury meats were beef, lamb, chicken and venison. The first three because cows, sheep and chickens were more valuable alive than dead, and the last because you needed the hunting-rights to get it.

    While it is true that piss was collected on a pretty epic scale back in the old days, it wasn't necessarily because of leather. Piss was used as laundry-soap, metal-polish, mouthwash and even in the manufacture of gunpowder.

    That said - if you didn't own your own pisspot - you could use a public one. They did exist. They used to sit them outside pubs and taverns for the penile-gifted of a given community to make regular donations to.

    Thatch rooves are more leakproof than you might think. There's a reason why people have used them for centuries.

    People washed a lot more regularly than we generally give them credit for. In Roman and even Medieval times, it was common to frequent bathhouses.

    Washing started dying out not because it was hard to get, or even heat the water, it died out because soap was taxed to the bloody hilt. It was so expensive to get that most people would try and make a single block last for weeks, and hence bathed only when absolutely necessary - and in the most efficient ways possible. It was only after the soap-tax was lifted in the 1800s that bathing became a daily thing.

    Before that, soap was taxed in England from 1712-1853. Other interesting things that were taxed were candles, and male servants.

     
    KingofThings likes this.
  8. Windows were also taxed as glass was extremely expensive so if you had lots of windows you were obviously rich. It is why it is still possible to see lots of large old houses where the windows are bricked up, to avoid the tax. Income tax was first brought in to fund the Napoleonic War and levied at 6d in the pound (there were 240 pennies to the pound in those days). It proved to be such a lucrative tax that the British government kept it after the war had ended.
     
    KingofThings likes this.
  9. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    The window tax sounds like a joke, but it was actually real. It makes me laugh every time I hear about it. Was it specifically a tax on GLASS or just the number of windows?
     
    KingofThings likes this.
  10. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The window tax still exists, just the name was changed, to domestic rates, and then to community charge. The number of windows roughly equates to the number of rooms and is a fair way of estimating the size of a house and hence its value, and has nothing really to do with the price of glass, which was not remarkably expensive at the time of the tax.
    Nowadays someone goes around and values all the houses into a price bracket, and the 'community charge' is levied as a percentage of the estimated price. It used to be levied on a percentage of the estimated annual rental value of a house.
    Nowadays it is supposed to cover the expense of local services like rubbish removal and road maintainance.
    But it's still the old window tax under another name.

    Bricking up of windows in old houses could be a tax avoidance measure, it could equally mean a re-configuration of rooms in an old house. The tax saving was probably relatively trivial comparted to the loss of amenity.

    However, it is far easier to attribute these old bricked up windows to the window tax than to find out exactly why it was done, and it is hard not to wonder why, when the specific tax was repealed, the owners did not simply knock out all the bricks and re-install a window.
     
    KingofThings likes this.
  11. The number of windows
     
    KingofThings likes this.
  12. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Much like the width of a building in Amsterdam it seems.
     
  13. Happy!

    Happy! Well-Known Member

    Is that where the phrase being "head and shoulder above the rest" originated too, I wonder?
     
    KingofThings likes this.
  14. Love Amsterdam, such a beautiful and interesting place.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted
Similar Threads: Expensive cost
Forum Title Date
Antique Discussion The D. Brent Pogue Collection of EXPENSIVE coins..... Apr 15, 2015
Antique Discussion Big 4ft + old wood sconces Greek woman worth cost? Dec 2, 2021
Antique Discussion Tridacna Gigas, estimated costings? Jan 27, 2021
Antique Discussion Help identifying a costume or uniform Jan 1, 2021
Antique Discussion Cost of this piece Oct 10, 2020

Share This Page