Featured Fine Russian Gilt Silver & Enamel Perfume Bottle - 5.5 inch

Discussion in 'Silver' started by laura9797, Jan 24, 2023.

  1. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    Question regarding hallmarks - I was able to decipher the Kokoshnik mark as Ivan Sergeevich Lebyodkin - Moscow. There is also just a simple mark on the dauber itself and at first I thought it might be a Minerva head. The price tag on the bottom was $2500 and it was purchased in the late 90's. I am considering this as 'shaded cloisonne' but it also looks like plique-à-jour or champleve? Any thoughts? Thanks for looking!
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  2. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    My only thought is how wonderful.
     
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  3. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Beautiful, laura.
    It is cloisonné enamel, made by soldering wires on a metal base and filling them with enamel.
    I think 'shaded' simply means colour shading, which many cloisonné pieces have.

    Plique-à-jour enamel is translucent, it has no backing and the enamels are like coloured glass windows inside the metal wire cloisons.
    Champlevé is when the metal is partly cut out, creating pools which are filled with enamel.
     
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  5. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I'd call it cloisonne, or plain old Russian enamel. If enamel can be plain.
     
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  6. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    I don't have words to describe it. Wow, Wow...cool.!!!!!!Thank You.
     
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  7. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Am I the only one who,while absolutely loving it,think it *might* be a copy? During the 80s-90s there was a fierce market for Russian things,and I know a scad of things were faked. Something about the enameling is giving me pause,but Im often wrong so there is that !
     
  8. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Everyone can have their own opinion.
     
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  9. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Faked Russian "marks" abound online. And what's online may also show up in the wild. I'm not very experienced with Russian marks, but I get the feeling there is something missing.
     
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  10. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    I can't see the marks and tell what it is? I only see marks ''kokoshnik and 84''some mark of city.
     
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  11. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Does this help?

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  12. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Thank you .Marks - silver 84 ''kokoshnik '' next to ,should be two small letters[Makers' Mark] ,I can't see.
     
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  13. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Do you have a magnifying app on your phone? They are free. You can take photos with them
     
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  14. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    It was done, cannot see. That marks was used in Russia until 1908 ,city mark seems to me -St. Petersburg.
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You're not.;)
    Frankly, I always assume Russian silver is fake, because so much of it is. Which is why I didn't say anything about real or not, just beautiful, which it certainly is, and an explanation of enamel terms.
    Besides, except for the closeup of the Kokoshnik mark I can't see the marks very well.

    Because of the many fakes, I tend to stay away from Russian silver.
     
  16. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Sorry....smile .I didn't say anything about real or not .I was talking about marks, nothing else, cannot to see marks very well too , like I said before. Looks Beautiful, need to make good photos.
     
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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That's OK Iouri, I wasn't judging you. I don't know either, and like you I would like to get a better view of the marks.
    Whether real or fake, someone did a great job, it certainly is beautiful.
     
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  18. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

    Good morning! I'll have our photographer get better close ups of the mark and post them as soon as she does. Thank you for looking!
     
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  19. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Thank you.
     
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  20. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Just to say that as far as I can see from the current photos, the maker's mark is not in Cyrillic which is rather unusual. The first letter I don't discern and then it is "R" which is not a letter from the Cyrillic alphabet. I am no expert but as far as I know only Faberge produced items with his mark in Latin for export and these items were all equipped also with a serial number. Also some of his masters with foreign names used Latin marks but they are known and I don't recall anyone with second letter R.
    Also the kokoshnik looks somehow unusual.
    There are many resources in Russian about Imperial Russia and later USSR silver and gold marks. If there are better photos of the marks, maybe it will be easier to decipher the maker.
    louri, I assume that the maker's mark is the one next to the kokoshnik but in a separate cartouche/square, and then it comes in a third cartouche the finess 84 and the city mark - it also looks to me as St. Petersburg but can't be sure as Moscow at some point also used the two-head eagle.
     
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