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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;abbypanda, post: 442398, member: 9362&quot;]Thank you. I dont think it&#039;s real gold if that&#039;s what you mean. I am fairly certain it&#039;s oil based: How we began to notice we could remove the paint is we were using some alcohol on the back and water to take off the remnants of the paper backing that was glued. Some of the water ran on to the top edge when we tilted it and we noticed after a bit the paint was completely gone and the frame ok.</p><p><br /></p><p>The front finish is down to the T exactly like a Husar I have in my house: it has the red bole and a gold rub on top. </p><p><br /></p><p>Where it differs from my husar:</p><p><br /></p><p>It has nails. None of my husars have nails that I can see. (I have 4 in my house).</p><p>It has nails holding the linen liner as well as the frame itself (holding it together and the inset in the larger frame). </p><p><br /></p><p>The corners of this are finished at 90 deg angles. That said 3 of my 4 husars are finished this way. The 30 x 40 that I have carved is finished with corner pieces like newcomb macklin, I forget what thats called when the corner is it&#039;s own piece. The carved 16x20 from Husar is finished with 90deg angles like this. I also have a 20 x 24 Spanish style frame and a 24x30 frame with corners built up with compo from Husar, those both have 90deg angles too. He may just use that other finish on larger frames I&#039;m not sure. </p><p>I also cant find this frame on husar&#039;s site which is why I dont think he did it. </p><p><br /></p><p>It also appears to be&nbsp; frames with a smaller nailed in the larger. From the front you couldn&#039;t tell but from the back it appears that way. (see images)</p><p><br /></p><p>My husband thinks the metal hanging hook looks old. The wood looks new to me but it could be in good shape b/c of the cover backing that was on it.</p><p>The frame itself is real heavy like the one I already own. I&#039;d venture to say basswood like mine.</p><p><br /></p><p>I know linen liners were a thing around the 50s so I&#039;d guess the frame cant be older than that. I scrubbed the back more but I cant find any suggestion of a stamp from the maker unfortunately. I might find something on a lip inside once i get the liner out. </p><p><br /></p><p>The scrawled cursive is the frame # and finish I assume, that&#039;s how husar marks on mine. It also says &quot;carved&quot; and &quot;Alworthy&quot;, or at least that&#039;s what it looks like. My husband found a famous artist by that name and he actually had a painting in a frame that sold for a lot similar to this (a carved frame) but def not this frame.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here&#039;s what I attached: </p><p>1. whole image of back of frame. Like the Hussar I have with this finish you can see the spray of the red on the back. It looks identical in how it was done. </p><p>2. closeup of corner finishing on the back. You can see the nails and glue. (you cant see any glue leaks on my Husars btw) Maybe that&#039;s characteristic of less professional finishing ... along with the nails?</p><p>3. the vertical line breaks in the finishing on front (these exist on my husar with this finish). It almost makes me think it was done in some sort of interval or with leaving sheets but I want to say Husar told me he rubs them, so maybe someone can tell me what they make of those lines.&nbsp; </p><p>4. closeup of the nicks and area where the gold rub or whatever it is was coming off down to the frame </p><p>5. closeup of front of corners: the one in good condition&nbsp; appears to have been finished to not show the joints</p><p>6. however another appears to have cracked probably with age. I suppose if I stripped the whole frame I could fix that with putty but I dont really want to do that. </p><p><br /></p><p>thanks for looking. AS for today after letting it sit over night it looks great but just &quot;dull&quot; for lack of a better word from the other paint. I cant imagine that will improve. I was real light with the water use. </p><p><br /></p><p>So now the main 2 questions</p><p>1. for future if I find a good water guided or gold frame with paint over how do you remove it? </p><p>2. how do I refinish this one? Where can I get a gold rub?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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