Frank M Whiting Puzzle

Discussion in 'Silver' started by Wendy West, Jan 27, 2021.

  1. Wendy West

    Wendy West New Member

    whiting.jpg Help!

    A gorgeous pair of Frank Whiting sterling candlesticks.

    Pretty sure they date to around 1922 as they have my great grandmothers initials on them and that was the year she was married.

    However, I feel like something is missing. Hole is too big to hold a taper. My mother had obviously jury rigged something at one time, as candle wax residue in there.

    But the top seems unfinished. Would it have had an insert for a shade? a compote?

    Desperately looking for a photo of them in a so I can see how they were meant to be and use them.

    Clear "whiting whiskers" as well as "loaded base", "sterling" and "101 - 17" on the bottom of each.

    Kudos to anyone who can figure this out!
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2021
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  2. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    Is the inside of the cup threaded or smooth?
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  3. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    They are, as already alluded to, most likely threaded (F.M. Whiting's threads typically start a bit into the well) - possible that sterling bobeches have gone missing (not to imply that all silver bobeche inserts are threaded), but they may have originally had glass inserts like compotes or vases, theirs were often made by Cambridge...

  4. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    New word - "bobeches" Thank you.
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  5. Lark

    Lark Active Member

    I learn so many new vocab words here. I have some bobeches to sell but didn't know the term. I also pick up good words to use to describe correctly what I sell online. Not many "high falutin" words in my neck of the woods.:joyful:
  6. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Not all candles are the size they are today, 1" diameter candles were certainly around in the 20's for sure, 'cause I've got a few boxes!
    Yes I use them in my floor-standing wrought iron torchière.
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  7. Wendy West

    Wendy West New Member

    Hi all - thanks for your input - the inside of the cups is smooth - not threaded.
    Literally have spent 2 days scouring the internet and books and can't find similar pair.
  8. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Can you show a close up of the floral band pattern?
  9. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I can no longer hold off from asking - "whiskers"? I can't see much of the tiny detail on your pics of the marking. Does it really say that?
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  10. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Maybe this is the Whiskers?
    i think I see that mark on OP.
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  11. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    That's what I figured - never heard the 'whiskers' term before though...

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  12. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    If it's not threaded, then a sterling bobeche or candle cup that just pushed in was likely...

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  13. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Well I interpreted the way "whiting whiskers" and "loaded base" (which is visible as quoted) the same - not someone's nickname for mark
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  14. Wendy West

    Wendy West New Member

    Here is closeup of chased border. PXL_20210128_050623463.jpg
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  15. Wendy West

    Wendy West New Member

    It's smooth
  16. Wendy West

    Wendy West New Member

    Was wondering, possibly they might have had a frame to hold a taper and a pierced shade???

    But I haven't seen any type of insert that would fit and be stable for tapers (with or without shade) so i've just ordered some 1.5" x 9" high pillar candles to use. I think these will fit securely and there is an extended rim to catch any drips.

    But do so wish I could find a photo of another pair or find them in an old catalog to see exactly what the intent was.

    Doesn't seem to be any reference sources for Frank M. Whiting production/styles/numbering. (I think Wintherthur might have some resources but that's a complicated process) If anyone has any other ideas on how I might identify them, I surely would be appreciative.

  17. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    For future reference, you would get better help and research details to pursue if you post larger images of marks in particular and other construction details you refer to in your text. For instance, you mention a number of 101-17 above, but in the small image the only number I see is 3 digits starting with 4. The collage method of combining detail images when posted at this size is very difficult for us to use. Many members use phones to access the system and you may be missing their assistance. Even on my large desktop monitor it's tough.

    As for your question about another type of insert to hold a candle and shade, I have a pair of short Gorham sticks such as you describe - but later than yours, probably early 70's. Pierced gallery style inserts for the candles and glass, but they are threaded.
  18. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

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  19. Wendy West

    Wendy West New Member

  20. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Okay, then - if they don't take a threaded insert, and they don't take a smooth-sided insert, and without any more images, like the interior of the cup, or an actual size offered (if you bought 1.5" dia. candles, are you saying that's the size of the cup?), then I'm out of the game - clearly you have an anomalous candle-cup that doesn't hold a standard taper or any type of insert. Good luck in any further research, and I'm sure the candles you've chosen will look quite nice - family pieces are always special...

    Last edited: Jan 29, 2021
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