Featured Georgian Ruby help

After much internal debate I've decided these two tumblers are from the Cambridge Georgian Ruby line. The tallest measures 5 1/4" and holds 12 oz which matches a particular piece in their line. The smaller (and trickier one) is 4" - 4 1/8" and holds about 8 oz.

Are there any easy ways to differentiate the different manufacturers of this line and if it is indeed Cambridge, how do I decide which of two potential tumblers the smaller is as there appear to be a 7 oz (4" high) and a 9 oz (4 1/8" high) but no 8 oz ?

 

HI Jeff,
There is a way to tell the many makers apart using the number of cuts and the heights. I can not find my listings. They must have gone with some of other lost listings on my PC. I will look through my books later. I am sure it is on the web somewhere.
greg

 

might check Mosser also, as they are currently making Georgians in 3 sizes

 

Wow, I had no idea there was a modern manufacturer making this style of glass. Just downloaded their catalog. Thanks for the heads up though it makes ID'ing these glasses even more complicated. Hoping Greg can give me a few pointers.

 

did you happen to review this NCCI article; tho' in summary it doesn't provide a definitive answer:

http://www.cambridgeglass.org/articles/7780/78crystalball63a.php

considering the Cambridge connection with Mosser Glass it may be that they use old Cambridge molds. You night contact Mosser...

 

The 4 sided center row is the Cambridge design all the rest have 6 sided figures. Their molds went to Mosser who uses them regularly. Most Mosser will be marked with an M on the bottom. When looking at the nominal 9 oz size only Anchor Hocking has 10 pentagrams in the top row all the rest have 8. From here it gets complicated with where the mold line runs and do they stack. I have one that was made in Italy and has the Italy molded into the bottom. I have counted 17 different makers.

 

I forgot to ad that Great American Glass book vol 1 0r2 has great information on those made by the "elegant" makers where the mold line runs around the design not through it. Also Barnett in "Paden City the color company" has a catalog reprint with with measurements Page 25 I think.

 

none of the Mosser glass that I have is marked...

 

Since I have center diamonds on these glasses, it looks like we're down to Cambridge, Mosser or Paden City. With the taller tumbler, the mold line runs with the pattern. The smaller 8 oz mold line just goes right through the middle. Could be the smaller is a Paden City and the larger Cambridge/Mosser which I'm assuming I will never be able to distinguish since they are likely using Cambridge's old molds? Thank you for the help/information btw. Really enjoying learning this stuff

 

A 6-sided centre row -

 

I am referring only to the 9oz tumbler where mine are all marked.

 

This listing for Mosser Georgian Ruby shows the "M" mark as well. Wonder if that's a good enough bet to call mine Cambridge? I looked at Paden City but the glass shapes seemed a bit different IMO.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOSSER-GEO...883103?hash=item46837f84df:g:dbcAAOSwJmVZ2DoD

 

The Paden City was just a research reference. I do not think they made the tumbler with the 4 sided shape. The full line has 6 sides per their catalog.

 

OK. I misread the article Tallcakes posted above. The Paden City has one size apparently with the diamond in the middle. The rest are 6-sided I think?

I reached out to Mosser and they kindly replied to my questions.

"The plant manager just said that our Georgian tumbler moulds are from Cambridge Glass. Our glasses are not marked. Cambridge Glass might be a darker red than ours.

Hope this helps."

So there's realistically no way for me to say for certain if a piece from that line is Cambridge or Mosser.

 

that was what I was thinking Jeff. If you had an authenticated Cambridge red to compare that would be the key here. Did you happen upon this link:
https://www.chataboutdg.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=18030&mode=search

 

Color and markings are the only way to differentiate. I am suspicious of the Paden City catalog done from the engraved cut. Especially with the full line made and no reason for a 2nd mold for that tumbler unless the 2nd one is mold blown as indicated by the Domitz in their PC book.

 

No I didn't, thank you. Makes me think I have Mosser now. The base is not that well ground and polished.