Featured Helena Wolfsohn cups

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by wessleysbest, Dec 18, 2014.

  1. wessleysbest

    wessleysbest New Member

    I recently acquired seven of what I believe to be Helena Wolfsohn cups. They have the AR mark but have been told they are most likely not Meissen. I am hoping to sell these online but am wondering if I should sell them separately or as a set. Any information regarding the AR mark and advice on listing will be greatly appreciated.
    First time here, I'll try to add photos.
     

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  2. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I think "AR" is supposed to be for " Augustus Rex " but its one of the most copied marks ever. I would certainly think they were Meissen,the quality is superb,at least to my untrained eyes. Lovely things,and I thought id sworn off this style ! :)
     
  3. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    Real Meissen wouldn't have a fake AR mark on it.
    Janet
     
  4. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    If mine, I would sell the two blue as a pair.
    The two matching purple as a pair. And the rest singularly.

    They're missing the saucers.

    Is the picture in the middle of the cup transfer or painted?
    Use a magnifying glass to look for dots (transfer) or brush strokes (hand painted).
     
  5. 'Nuff_Said

    'Nuff_Said Well-Known Member

  6. mymysharona43

    mymysharona43 Well-Known Member

    Those are just gorgeous!
     
  7. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

  8. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    I would be funny seeing someone try to sip tea out of them
     
  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    When tea was first drunk in England it was from handleless bowls.

    I'd agree those are classic pickle dishes, though. I've some blue and white transferware ones: they have small handles like that. And it's also typical of a pickle dish that the back is decorative.
     
  10. 'Nuff_Said

    'Nuff_Said Well-Known Member

    Your leaf-shaped pieces are derived from Chinese 17th C. brush-washers.

    In Europe they were used as cups for hot beverages such as tea and later as sweetmeat dishes/sherbet cups.
     
  11. 'Nuff_Said

    'Nuff_Said Well-Known Member

    Below is an 18th C. Italian example I once owned:

    MY CUP 001-001.jpg MY CUP 002-001.jpg
     
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  12. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Wessleysbest, it's good to see you here.
     
  13. wessleysbest

    wessleysbest New Member

    Thank you all so much for the resources and information. It has been very fun following up on the links.
    I have looked very closely and am quite sure these pieces are handpainted, not transferware.
    I was interested when it was mentioned that the saucers are missing, since I had not considered that they had ever had saucers. As far as these pieces being pickle dishes, I think that would be a real waste of great decoration on the bottoms, while a cup would be tipped up for all to see.
    Good to see you Figtree3! Great Board!
    Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah
     
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  14. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    What kind of pickle is being talked about?
     
  15. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Not the same kind as the US. ;)
     
  16. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    I don't see why they couldn't be Helena Wolfson. Underglaze mark looks OK, but I'm not very conversant with this stuff. Could just say Dresden cups 'cause that's what they are.
     
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