Help for a 19th century drawing unsigned

Discussion in 'Art' started by Angelo1, Sep 25, 2021.

  1. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    Hello.

    I would like to ask you help for a drawing of 19th century
    in style "art noveau" (pastel + color pencils).
    The drawing is unsigned and the paper is glued on cardboard.
    On the back there is nothing , no mark or word.
    It measures 17 x 24 cm.
    Any information or suggestions about drawing will be welcome.
    Thank you in advance.

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  2. Lithographer

    Lithographer Well-Known Member

    I would think early 20th century 1910-1920. I would not call it in the art noveau style. I would think a student or Sunday artist. The drawing would be better without the black. Does anyone else see a small figure standing on the hat?
     
  3. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    Absolutely
     
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  4. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    With fairy wings? I think it's coincidental.
     
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  5. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    Yes, coincidental.
    No fairy wings for me. It looks like he's doing some repair work:

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  6. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    What a pretty little bonnet! A type of hat that was fashionable in the 1870s. May we see a photograph of the back including frame?

    Debora

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  7. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    In the back there is only the cardboard. The drawing paper is glued on the cardboard.
     
  8. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Thanks you for the description. Now will you post a photograph so we can assist you?

    Debora
     
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  9. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    The number is the code object for used shop where I bought it.

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  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I see that it is easily removable from the frame. I suggest you (carefully) do so. There may be helpful information to you underneath. Also, if you haven't already done so, I suggest you do a Google Images search to see if perhaps your piece is a copy.

    Debora
     
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2021
  11. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    The drawing is glued on the cardboard you can see up.
    The front is the first photo , this it's the back. Stop.
    There is nothing else.
     
  12. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    Making searches on internet , I found only women with that type of hat , but only similar , not the same painting.
     
  13. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    Just a guess, but it looks like someone was attempting a style of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec

    If you're inclined, maybe search his works and see if there's anything there.
     
  14. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    The style of drawing "in negative" (drawing the external part , letting "blank" the internal one) was a technique quite used by some european painters across 1880 and 1920 ( among them Lautrec , Manet and others). I also have thought to a copy from some important painter but I wasn't able to find the original painting from which the copy.
     
  15. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

     
  16. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    This is an example of what I found searching on internet.

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  17. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Absolutely, I do too!!
     
  18. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    Thank you everyone for each contribution.
     
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  19. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    My imagination sees the figure on the hat, as also outlined by @sabre123 . Not sure whether it was intentional or not.

    Besides being copied from another artwork, this might also be
    1) inspired by a photograph.
    2) inspired by the general look of several artworks and/or photographs, and not a direct copy of any in particular.

    This could be quite difficult to determine, because of the several source possibilities. The members here have solved many difficult projects, though. I wish you good luck in the quest!
     
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  20. Angelo1

    Angelo1 Member

    I've done a lot of searches but nothing !
    I hope here you'll be luckier !
     
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