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<p>[QUOTE="kentworld, post: 12432129, member: 35"]That is a puzzler, but the fact that there is only an impressed F to the base points to it being a 19th production -- plus the fact that it is superb modelling. You would almost expect to see Wedgwood impressed on the base.</p><p><br /></p><p>If there is truly no hidden or worn-down "WEDGWOOD" name stamp, your dish was likely made by Dudson (operating out of Hanley, Staffordshire). [<a href="https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish" rel="nofollow">2</a>, <a href="https://www.tregeaglefineart.com/en-GB/gifts-interiors/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/prod_11486" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.tregeaglefineart.com/en-GB/gifts-interiors/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/prod_11486" rel="nofollow">3</a>]</p><ul> <li>The Dudson Connection: Dudson was Wedgwood’s biggest competitor for unglazed caneware. They explicitly made a very popular, unmarked Victorian game pie dish featuring a game-bird handle surrounded by sharp "Pteridomania" fern leaves. [<a href="https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="https://www.sellingantiques.co.uk/1073610/19th-century-caneware-game-pie-dish" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.sellingantiques.co.uk/1073610/19th-century-caneware-game-pie-dish" rel="nofollow">2</a>, <a href="https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish" rel="nofollow">3</a>]</li> <li>The "F" Meaning: Since Dudson often left their domestic pie dishes completely unmarked by factory name, they relied heavily on individual potter tallies. The "F" would be the personal stamp of the specific craftsman who pressed the clay into the fern mold at the Dudson factory. [<a href="https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish" rel="nofollow">2</a>]</li> </ul><p>The above info is from AI. There is a good possibility that Dudson made this dish. AI came up with these factories when I queried what other factories made caneware.</p><p><br /></p><ul> <li>Spode: Founded by Josiah Spode I, this pioneering factory produced high-quality, fine-grained caneware. They were famous for mimicking natural bamboo shapes and creating intricate relief-molded table services. [<a href="https://www.aroundtheblock.com/blogs/news/our-guide-to-the-top-10-british-porcelain-brands" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.aroundtheblock.com/blogs/news/our-guide-to-the-top-10-british-porcelain-brands" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/porcelain-and-fine-china-companies-ltd" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/porcelain-and-fine-china-companies-ltd" rel="nofollow">2</a>, <a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware" rel="nofollow">3</a>, <a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" rel="nofollow">4</a>]</li> </ul><p> <ul> <li>Turner (John Turner & Sons): Operating out of Lane End, Staffordshire, Turner was one of Wedgwood's fiercest rivals. They produced an exceptionally fine, dense caneware that often featured sharply detailed classical reliefs. [<a href="https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_(potters)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_(potters)" rel="nofollow">2</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_(potters)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_(potters)" rel="nofollow">3</a>, <a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" rel="nofollow">4</a>]</li> </ul><p> <ul> <li>Davenport: This Longport factory produced a beautiful, smooth-bodied caneware during the early 19th century. Their pieces frequently featured elegant, classical shapes and fine engine-turned geometric patterns. [<a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" rel="nofollow">2</a>]</li> </ul><p> <ul> <li>Elijah Mayer: Based in Hanley, Mayer was highly regarded for his masterful execution of unglazed, dry-bodied stonewares. His caneware was known for its remarkably smooth texture and crisp, clean molding work. [<a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" rel="nofollow">2</a>]</li> </ul><p> <ul> <li>Neale & Co. (later Palmer & Neale): A late 18th-century Staffordshire pottery that successfully competed with Wedgwood's ornamental wares. Neale & Co. produced beautiful caneware portrait busts, vases, and classical figurines. [<a href="https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/" rel="nofollow">1</a>The Herculaneum Pottery: Based in Liverpool, this factory actively produced caneware to keep up with the Staffordshire market. They are particularly known for their molded jugs and commemorative wares. [<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herculaneum_Pottery" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herculaneum_Pottery" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="https://apps.jefpat.maryland.gov/diagnostic/Post-Colonial%20Ceramics/Less%20Commonly%20Found/Relief%20Molded%20Stoneware%20Jugs/relief%20molded%20stoneware%20jugs.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://apps.jefpat.maryland.gov/diagnostic/Post-Colonial%20Ceramics/Less%20Commonly%20Found/Relief%20Molded%20Stoneware%20Jugs/relief%20molded%20stoneware%20jugs.htm" rel="nofollow">2</a>, <a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware" rel="nofollow">3</a>, <a href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery" rel="nofollow">4</a>]<ul> <li>William Adams & Sons: Another multi-generational Staffordshire dynasty that specialized in dry-bodied stonewares. Their caneware body was incredibly durable and closely matched the color and quality of Wedgwood's original recipe. [<a href="https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/" rel="nofollow">1</a>]</li> </ul></li> </ul><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kentworld, post: 12432129, member: 35"]That is a puzzler, but the fact that there is only an impressed F to the base points to it being a 19th production -- plus the fact that it is superb modelling. You would almost expect to see Wedgwood impressed on the base. If there is truly no hidden or worn-down "WEDGWOOD" name stamp, your dish was likely made by Dudson (operating out of Hanley, Staffordshire). [[URL='https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421']1[/URL], [URL='https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish']2[/URL], [URL='https://www.tregeaglefineart.com/en-GB/gifts-interiors/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/prod_11486']3[/URL]] [LIST] [*]The Dudson Connection: Dudson was Wedgwood’s biggest competitor for unglazed caneware. They explicitly made a very popular, unmarked Victorian game pie dish featuring a game-bird handle surrounded by sharp "Pteridomania" fern leaves. [[URL='https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421']1[/URL], [URL='https://www.sellingantiques.co.uk/1073610/19th-century-caneware-game-pie-dish']2[/URL], [URL='https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish']3[/URL]] [*]The "F" Meaning: Since Dudson often left their domestic pie dishes completely unmarked by factory name, they relied heavily on individual potter tallies. The "F" would be the personal stamp of the specific craftsman who pressed the clay into the fern mold at the Dudson factory. [[URL='https://www.antiquesboutique.com/antique-serveware-serving-dishes-trays-decorative-etc-/a-mid-19th-century-staffordshire-caneware-pteridomania-fern-pattern-game-pie-dish/itm233421']1[/URL], [URL='https://www.ebay.ie/sch/Pottery-Ceramics-Glass-/870/i.html?_nkw=wedgewood+game+pie+dish']2[/URL]] [/LIST] The above info is from AI. There is a good possibility that Dudson made this dish. AI came up with these factories when I queried what other factories made caneware. [LIST] [*]Spode: Founded by Josiah Spode I, this pioneering factory produced high-quality, fine-grained caneware. They were famous for mimicking natural bamboo shapes and creating intricate relief-molded table services. [[URL='https://www.aroundtheblock.com/blogs/news/our-guide-to-the-top-10-british-porcelain-brands']1[/URL], [URL='https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/porcelain-and-fine-china-companies-ltd']2[/URL], [URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware']3[/URL], [URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery']4[/URL]] [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Turner (John Turner & Sons): Operating out of Lane End, Staffordshire, Turner was one of Wedgwood's fiercest rivals. They produced an exceptionally fine, dense caneware that often featured sharply detailed classical reliefs. [[URL='https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/']1[/URL], [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_(potters)']2[/URL], [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_(potters)']3[/URL], [URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery']4[/URL]] [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Davenport: This Longport factory produced a beautiful, smooth-bodied caneware during the early 19th century. Their pieces frequently featured elegant, classical shapes and fine engine-turned geometric patterns. [[URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware']1[/URL], [URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery']2[/URL]] [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Elijah Mayer: Based in Hanley, Mayer was highly regarded for his masterful execution of unglazed, dry-bodied stonewares. His caneware was known for its remarkably smooth texture and crisp, clean molding work. [[URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware']1[/URL], [URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery']2[/URL]] [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Neale & Co. (later Palmer & Neale): A late 18th-century Staffordshire pottery that successfully competed with Wedgwood's ornamental wares. Neale & Co. produced beautiful caneware portrait busts, vases, and classical figurines. [[URL='https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/']1[/URL]The Herculaneum Pottery: Based in Liverpool, this factory actively produced caneware to keep up with the Staffordshire market. They are particularly known for their molded jugs and commemorative wares. [[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herculaneum_Pottery']1[/URL], [URL='https://apps.jefpat.maryland.gov/diagnostic/Post-Colonial%20Ceramics/Less%20Commonly%20Found/Relief%20Molded%20Stoneware%20Jugs/relief%20molded%20stoneware%20jugs.htm']2[/URL], [URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware']3[/URL], [URL='https://warrenantiques.com/collections/caneware/18th-century-english-pottery']4[/URL]] [LIST] [*]William Adams & Sons: Another multi-generational Staffordshire dynasty that specialized in dry-bodied stonewares. Their caneware body was incredibly durable and closely matched the color and quality of Wedgwood's original recipe. [[URL='https://lindsygr.wordpress.com/caneware-stoneware/']1[/URL]] [/LIST] [/LIST][/QUOTE]
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