Help identify maker marks for important necklace

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Alis, Oct 25, 2018.

  1. Alis

    Alis Member

    I bought this fine necklace a month ago
    , i started to look about the maker mark but i couldn't find anything on the internet,
    Can you please help me if you have guys any more knowledge, about this maker marks , its france by the way because there is eagle hallmark for 18k gold ,

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  2. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Try photos of the front and back of the piece, and one with less magnification of the maker's marks.
     
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  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Ste (for Saint?) snowflake + something that looks like a partial E?
     
  4. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Hi Alis.....Does this help you (or others? at all??? Inversed......I see mostly what Bakersgma sees, 'Sle' & snowflake with big partial stamped E after the snowflake.......don't know what's further off to the right......

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  5. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Hey, @Alis - our reward would be to see your fine necklace :)

    It helps in identification, too!
     
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  6. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Uh...St. Snowflake??
     
  7. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Disney Corporation, please copy. :)
     
  8. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    :happy:
     
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  9. Alis

    Alis Member

    I will upload it now
    Its right but i still can't find out the maker yet ,


    Thats what i know so far ,

    I am sure the maker should be someone important , because of the large sapphire stone on the necklace , its extremely rare and expansive, thats what GRS lab told me after its has been checked .

    I will upload it soon

    Yup thats what its

    Honestly i didn't get what you mean ?
     
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  10. Alis

    Alis Member

    Here is the picture of the necklace with out the sapphire

    Necklace sapphire 110 cts
    Ring sapphire 54 cts

    One of the important sapphire as what GRS lab mentioned to me after it has been checked ,

    Thats why i need help to figure out the maker ... please more more




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  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    lovely...now how about a clear shot of the back of both ring and pendant...
    help us....to help you !
     
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  12. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    I don't see anything important about the stones,"native cut" stones cut for weight and not quality... “windowed” or “fish eyegemstone". It could have been made in Switzerland or Japan as both countries have makers who used snowflakes in their marks.Only a good photo of the marks may lead to someone identifying the maker.
     
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  13. Alis

    Alis Member

    Sure

    What i know so far the eagle hallmark stand for 18k gold for france , please correct me if i am wrong ,

    Here is also the GRS certificate
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    Eagle mark on necklace
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  14. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Maybe photograph the mark at a couple angles in daylight. It doesn't have to be zoomed in so close - I'm having a very hard time putting the elements in context.

    :angelic: please!
     
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  15. Alis

    Alis Member

    After a lot of research i found this van cleef brooch with same hallmark of my necklace ,,

    Any thoughts? Could my necklace be van cleef :cigar:

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    My necklace hallmark

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    Last edited: Oct 28, 2018
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  16. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    The Real Real

    The thing I'm noticing is the haphazard angles of the marks and what looks like an incomplete stamp - deeper on one side than the other. That's why it's important to back out and try to get an image that shows clearly the entire set of marks, if possible.

    I have no opinion on the piece, per se. I don't know who made it.

    But, a very fine piece of jewelry with thousands of $$$ worth of stones and 18k gold would be very crisp and well-placed.

    Here's vc&a's own statement on their marks.

    “All Van Cleef & Arpels jewelry will have a trademark, serial number and metal hallmark,” says Krakowski. The brand stamp (trademark) has changed over the years, and will read either “Van Cleef & Arpels” or “VCA.” If a piece is simply marked “Van Cleef,” this is a red flag that the piece might not be Authentic.

    Each piece will have a unique serial number with a correlating certificate presented at purchase. Additionally, Van Cleef & Arpels only uses 18 karat gold, so each piece will be marked with “750.” “These tiny markings are often on the gold edge of the Alhambra motif on the quatrefoil located nearest to the clasp, or on a small gold station,” Krakowski points out. On rings they will be inside the shank, and on earrings, one ear clip may have the trademark and the other the serial number, or they may both be on one clip.
     
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    Last edited: Oct 28, 2018
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