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Featured Help identifying a broken piece of willow pattern china.

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Quartermain, Jan 25, 2024.

  1. Quartermain

    Quartermain New Member

    I found this piece of willow pattern china, in the mud on the side of a river, and I'm wanting to know how old it might be, and where it may have come from. Does anyone have any ideas?
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  2. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Early nineteenth Staffordshire almost certainly.
     
  3. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    A later Staffordshire 'Blue Willow' piece with a similar border fyi.

    Debora

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  4. Quartermain

    Quartermain New Member

    Wow, it's older then I thought it was, thanks for identifying it. I never would have worked it out.
    I wonder how on earth to got to the place where I found it, I suppose I'll never know.


    Thanks for that, nice to see what it would have looked like when it was in one piece.
     
  5. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Folks used the river as their dump in the old days-some sadly still do.I see broken couches (and everything else) along the highway.
    Like Joni said-"You paved Paradise and put in an apocalyptic garbage dump".
     
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  6. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  7. Quartermain

    Quartermain New Member

    I would have said the same thing if the river wasn't so far from civilization.
     
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  8. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Quarter-Might there have been an old homestead,houseboat or picnic there in days past/ any 'Mudlarking' sites nearby ?
     
  9. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Or privy.

    Debora
     
  10. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Well, the flow of water carries things far away from where they originally landed. ;)
     
  11. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    What country are you in, Quartermain?
     
  12. Quartermain

    Quartermain New Member

    True, but the river is very rocky, so it probably wouldn't have survived the journey down the river.

    South Africa.
     
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  13. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Good to know! Welcome, :)
     
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  14. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Some local historical research might help trace a previous area of habitation-boat launch,small dock,pioneer trail,herders/fishing shack,etc ?
     
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  15. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    interesting avatar there Quarter......

    Frederick Thomas Green (1829-1876) Born Montreal, Quebec. Died Heikhamkab, near Walvis Bay
     
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  16. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    It doesn't surprise me a bit that it survived. Some of that old ironstone was tough stuff, and blue willow is still being made to this day so there's a lot of it about. It was exported darned near everywhere. Somebody's grannie's Sunday Roast platter went bust and into the privy. Later it washed out and went down the stream, fetching up where it was found.
     
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  17. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Yours is rather earlier than the nice example @Debora posted. The colour on yours is more muted, and the transfer pattern less exact. Yours will be hand applied.
     
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  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    in the mud on the side of a river,........

    I would think that could mute the color somewhat over time.
     
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  19. Quartermain

    Quartermain New Member

    I just thought of something else, there is an old manor house, about an hours hike from the river, and I remember reading that the owners used to go on picnics (back in 1870) down to the coast, so its highly likely they also visited the Salt River. There where also quite a few woodcutters in the area back then, so it could have come from them.
     
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  20. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    they didn't use paper plates on a picnic back then....so.....;)
     
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