Help identifying these (Navajo?) weavings

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  1. research

    research Member

    I bought these a while back and was told they were Navajo. I am trying to learn more about these types of textiles and hoping someone here knows what they are.

    They both measure roughly 22x21". They are heavier and appear to be wool but I'm not sure.

    Would appreciate any expertise on what they are and any information on what they might be worth. Thank you!


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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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  3. research

    research Member

    Thanks. The images I have in this post are embedded linked images, not uploaded to this site.
     
  4. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    There have been a number of discussions on this forum about the distinguishing characteristics of Navajo weavings. You can search (using the search box in the top right corner) in both "Textiles, Needle Arts, Clothing" and "Tribal Art" for "Navajo Rugs" to look at previous threads and examples. You might want to narrow the search to posts by members Taupo and 2manybooks.

    In the meantime, it looks like the first weaving you show was correctly identified as Navajo, and the second is likely as well. Both are probably a type referred to as "Gallup throws" - small samplers made for sale along the railroad lines. I hesitate slightly about the second one, just because the end finish on one end, with the cut and knotted warps, is not characteristic of larger Navajo weavings. But these throws were made quickly, often using less quality materials as well, and I suspect were made using a single warp setup for more than one textile.

    This website has a brief discussion of Gallup throws and some good examples -

    https://www.medicinemangallery.com/...-blankets-for-sale/gallup-throws-and-samplers
     
  5. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Welcome/Welcome Back Research-Sounds like you might've gotten lucky w/ those rugs,much of the Navajo that shows up here aint-well done !
     
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  6. research

    research Member

    Thank you! I've read through quite a few of the Navajo identification posts and it honestly gets a little confusing. Seemed like maybe it would be easier for an expert to look at good quality photos as I try to learn haha.

    These seem like a "set" (exact same size, material etc) but I suppose one could be different.

    Is there any way to date these or figure out what specific region they might be from?
     
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  7. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    It can certainly be confusing.

    These look authentic Navajo, Gallup throws, made for sale to tourists, not finely made but have age and therefore some value, 1930's - 1950's.

    As for the questions you asked in your other thread about displaying them, I think the advice 2manybooks offered there is appropriate-- don't seal them in, it's ok to sew a backing onto them as per her recommendations, and you are not going to hurt them long term.

    You can google vintage Gallup throws for images of similars.
     
  8. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    It does require a familiarity with some textile terminology. Your first little throw, the gray and red one, is a good example of typical Navajo construction. Here are a few diagrams that might be helpful. The "warp" is the set of yarns stretched on the upright loom. The "weft" are the yarns woven back and forth between the warp.
    Gallup throw labeled.jpg

    Gallup throw detail labelled.jpg
     
  9. research

    research Member

    Great, thank you!
     
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  10. research

    research Member

    Thank you! Very helpful again. I really appreciate it
     
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