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Discussion in 'Silver' started by cxgirl, Apr 12, 2024.

  1. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    Hi All, I found these 3 pieces and need some help. All 3 have the same pattern on the front and back but are made by 2 different people and time period. The spoons were made in 1812 by Richard Turner, the sifter was made by (I think) Chawner & Co (George William Adams), guess the date letter is H for 1843.
    Would companies copy patterns from one another?
    any information appreciated
    thanks for looking:)
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    is this date letter H?

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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

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  3. Ce BCA

    Ce BCA Well-Known Member

    Patterns were commonly copied such as the King's pattern and many others. Also it was not unusual to have items made to order, so if you needed some more of something you could take it to a silversmith and have them make more for you.
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  4. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    Wonderful, that is it, thank-you AJ:)

    great information, thank-you Ce BCA:)
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  5. silvermakersmarks

    silvermakersmarks Well-Known Member

    It is highly likely that all of these pieces started life as plain Old English pattern and were later decorated. The Victorians were notorious for ruining simple silver with over-elaborate decorations to suit the 19th century taste.
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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    called Frankenstiening.... right?
  7. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    ya, that's it !!!
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  9. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

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  10. pewter2

    pewter2 Well-Known Member

    OLder spoons being decorated in Victorian times and even into late 20th century referred to as being "Berried"....unfortunately a lot of very early spoons desecrated in this manner.....very little craftsmanship as a fly press used so therefore all patterns are alike, no individuality......shame !!
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  11. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    At least the clobbering was fairly well-done - here's an example of how bad a clobbered piece could be:


  12. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    Clobbered . . . that's a new one for me. Those darn Victorians. I do like that term. Will have to remember to use it in a sentence today.
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  13. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    Do you all think that @cxgirl 's pieces were clobbered? (there's the sentence, that was so easy) I wouldn't make a good Victorian. I always thought those "berried" pieces were too gaudy. And think of all the food that would get trapped and stuck in the groovy pattern.
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  14. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

    So interesting!
    "I must be on the lookout for clobbered silver"
    There's my sentence.
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Neither would I. I always call the second half of the 19th century 'the era of bad taste', although they did make some beautiful things.
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