Featured Help with Italian Makers Marks

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by crazy4gems, Oct 16, 2020 at 1:04 PM.

  1. crazy4gems

    crazy4gems New Member

    Hello Everyone! I am looking for information on a cameo pin/pendant I recently purchased and a necklace. I’m trying to hunt down the makers for them. The cameo has the mark 388 NA and the necklace 1081 NA. They are both silver. I have looked online for Makers Marks and have only found makers thru the year 1971. These are newer pieces I imagine as the numbers are higher.
    Can anyone out there give me a clue?? 251113E7-BFAC-4397-82DB-00EBAC1A2739.jpeg 251113E7-BFAC-4397-82DB-00EBAC1A2739.jpeg 1903446E-49B0-4C54-BC77-5C7F90777431.jpeg
     

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  2. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

    Can't help but you take lovely photos.
     
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    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

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  4. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Couldn't clear up the other mark, but I think this one's a bit better.....that's ALSO not to say I can read it!!!! Maybe @i need help CAN.....??

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  5. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

    Sorry I can’t read it, but going by what OP sees, it’s from Naples.
    I don’t know how high up these numbers have been documented.
     
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  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

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  7. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    I think 1968 to present looks like a good range based on the design of the cameo. @crazy4gems is this a shell cameo or resin? If you are not sure can you show a full shot of the back? Is the back flat or curved?
     
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  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The cameo looks like shell to me, but photos of back & edge couldn't hurt. The jeweller who set it may not be the factory that cut it. Scognamiglio & Colamonici are a couple of the big makers, but Naples is the home of the shell cameo.
     
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  9. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The necklace pendant appears to be an intaglio? I know I'm not the only one who's curious to see what it is. :)
     
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  10. i need help

    i need help Well-Known Member

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    looks like Cherubs embracing
     
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  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    That's what I was seeing, maybe Cupid & Psyche, but I don't trust my powers of interpreting pictures.
     
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  13. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    And I'm STILL not positive....enlarged a bit & lightened slightly...it looks better now it's posted.....I think more like what @i need help posted!

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  14. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    definitely better pics of the marks needed. both numbers are too high for Napoli.
     
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  15. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Frankly, I can't make out the marks from the images either, but there would be no issue with the numbers given by the OP being from Naples. I took a quick look online yesterday without success - the best I can give you is 'no earlier than' dating provided by numbers issued to other makers found in Trev's ongoing Italian manufacturers thread: https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=27003


    This maker was assigned '381 NA' on Jan. 26, 1981, so '388 NA' would have been assigned not too much after that, and so should date no earlier than 1981:

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    This maker was assigned '1067 NA' on July 14, 2003, so '1081 NA' would have been assigned not too much after that, and so should date no earlier than 2003:

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    ~Cheryl
     
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  16. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    thank you. is it an Italian that started this collection of marks ? just asking because the two you show are normal shops or jewelers, but not silversmiths;negozio, not argentiere.
     
  17. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    The two that I posted here were chosen because their registration numbers were very close to the OP's, without being later, offered only as an aid in dating hers - the first a "Manufacturer of jewellery.", the second "Workers in precious metals."

    The page linked in my first post on this thread, as well as below here, is titled, "Italian Silverware and Jewellery Manufacturers, Identified by Registration Numbers" (dating 1934-present) - just that 1st page of the 353 shows various manufacturers described as, "Gold and silver chainmakers, and other jewellery", and as producing a "large range of Jewellery, Holloware, and Flatware", "Jewellery, Giftware, etc.", "Religious Art, Giftware, etc.", and so on...

    Not sure why Trev's nationality is of any importance at all, but he is British and the administrator of the forums - the majority of those 353 pages of marks, dating back over 18 years, include citation from official records, as well as information from forum posts, with quite a bit of that coming from a knowledgeable Italian member (if you believe that gives more credence).


    https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=27003
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    ~Cheryl
     
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  18. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    thank you. so not a reference for me.
     
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