Help with M.J Tobias pocketwatch.

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Bobby Stone, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. Bobby Stone

    Bobby Stone Active Member

    Hello antiquers, I recently picked up this old pocketwatch at a yard sale and I had a few questions about it. The following is what I see; The case has a good petina that seems true to the age. The inside is bad off. The button that opens it is at the three o'clock position. on the inside of the case their is a 21 stamped near the hinge,on the edge of the backside of the movement is 92321 that is in the 6 o'clock position,where the ten o'clock position would be their is a V1 stamped,on the movement itself it says M.J Tobias&Co.Liverpool. The lid that covers the movement has two holes in it and on the front it has PATENT LEVER,and on the inside of that lid is 92321 near the hinge and 12 above it. That's all the details I see in the watch if anyone could help me I would appreciate it. I can upload more pics if need be.
    First question is it legit or a fake?
    Second question is what type of movement goes in it?
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  2. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    I don't know if the link below will help you or if you will be interested in it at all, but they do discuss Tobias watches on their website. It's the website of the National Association of Watch [and] Clock Collectors.
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  3. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    This is not a Tobias watch. It was made in Switzerland for the US market and is the fake Rolex of its day. Tobias was a maker of high quality English fusee lever watches in the early 19th C. and had a good reputation. The watch hopes to benefit from the reputation of a maker who stopped trading before the watch was made. It would have been made in the latter part of the 19th C. Maybe 1860 or so. The case may be low grade silver or a cupro-nickel alloy. The value would be modest, far less than a genuine Tobias watch, and I doubt if it is worth fixing if that costs any money. It may well be in working order. Despite being a knock-off of sorts, they were not badly made. Wind it up and see what happens.
  4. Bobby Stone

    Bobby Stone Active Member

    Link is very helpful, thank you very much.
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