Featured I learned something today - Cinnabar!

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by scoutshouse, May 9, 2015.

  1. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    So once I knew how to tell how identify authentic cinnabar by the layering of lacquer, I picked these up.

    I was wondering what style carving this is? I believe it's a lotus.

    And if anyone can help date these by what I found?
    19C or earlier+Chinese
    19C to 20thC+Chinese
    Japanese Meiji(??) which I guess means 19thC to early 20thC


    In the future: should I add the images and copy, so people won't have to open links? Just trying to save some time and not have to cut and paste so much and make such a lengthy post.

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  2. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    So real oriental cinnabar is just a pigment in lacquer?

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  3. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Many, many layers of lacquer - the ridges inside the larger petals indicate lacquer - cinnabar is kind of a catch-all for colored lacquer, but cinnabar is red.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, please!
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  4. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    Well I always thunked real cinnabar woulda been real mercury sulfate chunks which were carved.
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  5. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    I would vote for Japanese. I would expect a bit different kind of decoration from the Chinese and some more traditional patterns. Unless it was meant for export.
    Don't know about the age. 19th C. is a bit ambitious but it is possible.
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  6. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Lacquerware+cinnabar color
    Isn't cinnabar the red mineral with mercury inclusions?
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  7. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    It is. But the term cinnabar is usually used for red colored lacquerware, correct or not. You can see descriptions like " carved white cinnabar something..." which totally makes no sense but people gets the idea.
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