ID for WR + lattice mark double handle tankard

Discussion in 'Silver' started by KylieS, Jun 27, 2022.

  1. KylieS

    KylieS Member

    Hello

    I have acquired this characterful but very well used silver plate tankard from a brocante sale in France. It's extremely worn, down to the copper base almost everywhere, but still attractive (to my eye) and a little quirky especially its owner's inscription (H. TINGLE). I'd love to know more about it.

    So I wanted to know if anyone has seen this mark before? It is showing as a possibility for William Rogers but that's American which seems to be a little weird; and not a mark I have seen attributed to him with the crown (or is it a fleur de lis?) above.

    There is also a cross hatched / lattice / trellis mark on the other side. Not sure if it means anything
    But including it just in case.

    Any thoughts or information welcome! 20220627_124238.jpg 20220627_124320.jpg 20220627_124324.jpg
     

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  2. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I think the crown WR has to do with British measures. I downloaded a lengthy pdf with information then realized my eyes were too tired to go through it (up late with some kittens)
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Awww.:cat::happy: Are they OK?
    Hope you can catch some sleep tonight.
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    If the crowned WR has to do with British measures, could the lattice mark be the maker's mark?
     
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  5. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    Probably stating the obvious, but...
    I'm seeing the "lattice" mark as many crossed arrows. Could be a helpful search term.

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  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

  7. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    They are ok but don't know about humans.

    Long story but basically I started feeding a stray cat (found her trying to eat birdseed) and once we were friends I realized she was nursing kittens. No neighbors knew the cat and the local animal shelters had no reports of anyone looking for her. I spent a month trying to find the kittens and about two weeks ago my neighbor found the kittens under her deck late one evening. I told her I'd try to come get them in the morning but by morning they were gone. Turns out the mom kitty had moved them overnight and put them under my deck. (moved them 1/3 mile).

    Anyway, I snagged them almost two weeks ago and moved them all into my basement. The babies are big enough to eat food and they're nearly feral. I've decided to sleep in the basement to makes sure they get used to humans. They are up all night playing and get hungry about 3AM. I'm tired and progress is slow but they are so cute:)

    Hope to find them homes once they are ready:)
     
  8. KylieS

    KylieS Member

    Thanks so much! T & J Creswick it is ... makes much more sense that it's Sheffield given where we are. Thanks so much for your help on this, I'm definitely flying blind when it comes to silver (not that there's any silver left on it ) so I really appreciate the help!

    Good luck with the kittens Say it slowly!
     
  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Quite a story, and mom cat is clearly a perfect mother. But the life of a feral cat is not safe, and it's not good for the neighbourhood either. Thank you for doing a wonderful job saving the kittens and helping the neigbourhood.:happy:
    Do you have a local charity that neuters them, and maybe finds homes?
     
  10. Silverthorne

    Silverthorne Well-Known Member

    LOL! For reasons which passeth understanding, I have a penchant for silver-worn-down-to-copper pieces. Yours would lend itself beautifully to bouquets of meadow flowers --daisies, buttercups, goldenrod, wild aster, etc.
     
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  11. Silverthorne

    Silverthorne Well-Known Member

    Re: the cat and her kittens. Mother Cat obviously has excellent hearing, and took her babies to safety at your house. She probably doesn't want ferals roving the neighborhood either. How many are there?
     
  12. Silverthorne

    Silverthorne Well-Known Member

    And I'm sure Mr. Henry Tingle is delighted that his tankard has found a loving home as well.

    I'm sure it's "Henry;' don't you think?
     
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  13. Silverthorne

    Silverthorne Well-Known Member

    Although, I'm positive that Mr. Tingle is British. With a short, stiff moustache. Military bearing. Perhaps it is Colonel Tingle.

    :)
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    He would have put his rank on the tankard though.
    Maybe this one dates from before he became a colonel, and he didn't have enough money to pay for a silver one. Just think, there could be a Col. H. Tingle silver tankard out there!:jawdrop::joyful:
     
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  15. The swede

    The swede Active Member

    Creswick in Sheffield is OK and the crowned WR stands for Wictoria Regina, queen of England since 1837.
     
  16. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Wictoria?? Nooooo. Tell me it ain't so.
     
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  17. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Not sure what it is, but I can picture Her Majesty making a face at that one.

    That does it. Now I need kitten pix. And probably some kittens.
     
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Maybe it is the Swedish W-V thing. For instance, the actual name of Sweden is Sverige.
    Some related languages have the same problem.
     
  19. KylieS

    KylieS Member

    :playful: Hubert gets my vote!

    Funny thing... I was showing my Father in Law my tankard, since he likes a car boot sale as well as I do. He told me he used to work with a Mr Tingle - and Harry Tingle no less!
    :smuggrin:

    I fully agree with you on the worn silver plate - I'm also big on dented lockets, cracked plates and chipped vases (all of which describe some of my favourite objects in my personal collection ;)
     
  20. KylieS

    KylieS Member

    An update on the the WR mark question - Yes it is a capacity mark. But no it isn't named for Queen Wictoria.

    An excerpt from a very thorough paper on the subject from the pewter society...

    "...as of the 29th Sept 1700, it would be illegal to sell beer or ales in un-marked vessels. Section V decreed that “The mayor of each city, Town Corporate, Borough or Market town, from June 24th 1700, to have every one of them to be plainly and apparently agreed, stamped and marked with WR and a crown.” The cost per piece for such verification was a farthing and the mayor of each locale was to provide the standards. Broadsheets proclaiming this Act appeared in London streets within days of its
    passing and the Act remained in force throughout England and Wales until its repeal by the Imperial Act of 1824."

    A subsequent note states that the mark was not instantly phased out but continued to be used until around 1840, especially outside of London.

    So my tankard is probably more elderly than Victoria - nice to know :D
     
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