Featured Is this a dutch hallmark?

Discussion in 'Silver' started by Asian Fever, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

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    It looks very similar as the last second at right side. Is it a dutch hallmark?
    Also, I don't even know whether it is 800 silver, sterling or even not silver at all, because other than that, there's no any other marks on the candle holder.

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  2. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    @Asian Fever, from your image, the one I put an arrow and star at is the one that is MOST like your mark........to ME!!!!! I'll try to look some more though.....

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  3. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    @Bronwen, if you look at the FIRST & large image that Asian Fever posted you can see an "M" up either on a helmet or in hair......could that stand for "Mercury"??????
     
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  4. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    Yeah, it looks really like Mercury.
     
  5. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    Just won the bid today. To me it really looks like dutch candlesticks
    And they are not weighted, that's the most important to me.
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  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    @Asian Fever That *may* be a Minerva head from the Netherlands, but it is not a quality mark. The lion pictured above it in your example is what tells you the quality in the Dutch system. There are either more marks somewhere on the piece (Dutch marks are often spread out) or your mark is something else from another country.
     
  7. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    You really need to look over those sticks very well for more marks.
     
  8. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    I gonna check them out after I received them. Thank you
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is a Dutch Minerva mark of 1814-1905, which was used by the assay offices. That means the silver tax was paid, which means it is legally silver, but that could be anything between 835 and 934 or over.

    During the period of this particular Minerva mark, a fineness of 800 was not legally recognized as silver in the Netherlands.
    It is a fineness you find a lot in Germany and the Austro-Hungarian empire, which is why many outside Continental Europe call it Continental silver.
    M is for the assay office of Schoonhoven, still a major silver town in the Netherlands.
    To me too, very Dutch in style.
     
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2018
  10. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    @Any Jewelry Wow. Thank you for your information. I will try to find other marks on it when I receive it
     
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  11. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    OOOH, OOOH, OOOH, THEY ARE GORGEOUS!!!!!!!
     
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  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Mercury/Hermes is not usually indicated by the presence of an M about his person, but the outline of the wings on his cap can make that shape.

    Mercury shell very good helmet type cap.JPG although the over all shape of the head gear on the mark looks more like the winged Phrygian cap Canova gave Perseus

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  13. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    It's my experience that Dutch silverware is usually pretty extensively marked. I'd be VERY surprised if that was the only mark on it.
     
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  14. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    I will have it updated once I receive it. :)
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Bronwen, the helmeted head and M mysteries were already solved :):
     
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  16. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I wasn't asked to solve it, I was asked if the 'M' was likely to indicate Mercury. The answer is, no, + the observation that the head does not look like a conventional Mercury image.
     
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  17. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    Finally, I got these. Found two marks on the candlesticks. The landscape is much more beautiful than it was shown in picture.

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  18. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    How lovely!
     
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  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It has the lion passant mark, with a 2, for 833-835 silver for the same period as the Minerva mark.
    The year letter in the oval looks like it could be a K, for 1819. Maybe someone can tweak that? @Aquitaine?
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  20. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    @Any Jewelry Thank you. The date mark looks very like an H. Maybe the photo didn't show clearly.
     
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