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Is this an original miniature from the 19th century or a mid-20th century imitation on bone?

Discussion in 'Art' started by SSlava, Mar 3, 2025.

  1. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    Yes, thank you very much! We need to look at the portraits. Yes, it is strange that they would glue a newspaper onto such an object)). Sometimes, of course, this can happen, if the restoration is inept. But when newspapers were glued en masse, is this a sign of a 20th century forgery?
     
  2. mirana

    mirana Well-Known Member

    Yes, although in some cases I don't think they were meant as a deception but just as a contemporary decorative object.
     
  3. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

  4. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

  5. mirana

    mirana Well-Known Member

  6. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Once upon a time they were sold in department stores and dime stores as decorative items, and everyone knew what they were. They were sold in the 20s and 30s and then later in the 50s. Now, they "look really old" and AI is no help, because machinese just aren't all that bright. They were never forgeries, just pretty.
     
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  7. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    As above. The printed backing is to add the illusion of age but not necessarily in a deceptive way.

    Debora
     
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  8. bluumz

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  9. SSlava

    SSlava Well-Known Member

    Is this a real drawing or not? According to the owner of the item, there was old rotten velvet on the back, which was thrown out and replaced with a new one.

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    Last edited: Mar 4, 2025
  10. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The white is a dead giveaway; it's an "enhanced" print. You can also see the waviness of the paper in one of the images. The back velvet may well have been replaced because fabric can fall apart. IIRC, the lady is Catherine the Great.
     
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  11. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    She was no lady. ;)

    Debora
     
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  12. mirana

    mirana Well-Known Member

    I agree with @evelyb30 's assessment. That raised white effect is extremely common on the decorative pieces. Ask yourself: if the rest of the portrait is done which such smoothness of supposed brush strokes, why add crafty looking raised ones? Those are a sign of inexpensive retouching done to give the impression of a painted portrait when most of it isn't.

    A QUEEN. :p
     
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