Is this beyond hope?

I find that approach is never successful in getting what you want.

 

See this guy won an award at the Exposition Universelle of 1855 & meant to tell you that just a couple of hours ago I was looking at an account of submissions from the Vatican States because I found another prize winner that year, for his cameos, was Luigi Michelini, who was the author of a number of cameos in my collection.