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Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by stracci, Apr 24, 2024.

  1. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

    I found this cup today.
    It seems to be Albert and Victoria.
    And I think it is bat-printed, a term I learned right here on Antiquers!
    The dots are raised. There is a touch of luster detail on the lip and handle, quite worn off.
    Not high quality, but I only paid a few dollars.

    What do you all think?
    1840s? Or later?






  2. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Better be Victoria & Albert. Red deer in Windsor Castle Park.

  3. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    I love your cup! From what I understand, bat printing was done in black and was pretty much over with by 1820, making it unlikely in Victorian times.
    But I look forward to reading what more learned people here say. :)
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  4. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    Looks bigger. Is it perhaps a antique shaving mug?
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  5. pewter2

    pewter2 Well-Known Member

    most likely a cider mug.
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  6. Chinoiserie

    Chinoiserie Well-Known Member

    Surely it has to be from Victorian times or later if it has Victoria and Albert on it. Logically speaking.

    Edit Oh and that would mean it's not bat printing logically speaking. Doh

    They look quite young on it so towards the start of their marriage perhaps?
  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Wedding souvenir. And yes, that view of the castle is one I had from an office window at one point.
  8. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Nicely clear description of bat-printing here:

    Idle guess, but this could be a more standard transfer technique from a stipple engraving.

    Could also be some kind of lithographic transfer:

    "Bamber Gascoigne describes the use of stipple patterns to provide shading on commercial color lithographs (chromolithographs), noting that "The ordinary late nineteenth-century commercial lithograph, sometimes to the eye but certainly through a [magnifying] glass, will seem to have an advanced case of the measles."
    These shading tints were first applied to the stone by hand with a pen and lithographic ink. In 1879 Benjamin Day, a New Jersey printer, developed transparent sheets embossed with a variety of tinting patterns which could be inked and pressed onto selected areas of the lithographic stone to produce various types of shading. These semi-mechanical "shading mediums" came to be called Ben Day mediums"
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  9. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

    I should have included measurements.
    @Boland It is 2-3/4 inches high. (70 cm)
    So not very big. It's likely a cider mug, as @pewter2 says.
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  10. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

    Thanks for this great explanation, and informative site!
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  11. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    O,Ok. Thanks
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  12. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I’d totally forgotten that Bamber Gascoigne was an author. He’s famous for rather a different thing here.
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  13. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

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  14. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I would suspect the Queen Victoria image was based on this early photograph. The Prince Albert figure looks generic.


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  15. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

    Yes! You are so right about this.
  16. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Oooh, I only know him from his videos. Now I'm curious!
  17. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

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    stracci Well-Known Member

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