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<p>[QUOTE="Iconodule, post: 10585800, member: 91417"]Your pictures are fuzzy, but it looks like a repro to me--the text directly under the image (where the the artist's signature & title often are, but are illegible in the photos) look printed, not handwritten. The large title text looks printed as on a repro, and I see no sign of embossment from the plate.</p><p><br /></p><p>Clearer photos might yield more info. Might be a fine or even a historical reproduction. I cannot read it clearly but the bottom line of text may be the business where it was printed. It looks to me like "A Paris chez Bennet rue St. Jacques...[illegible but likely more about the location]" (At Paris at the house Bennet [on the] rue St Jacques ["St. James Street"]). Someone familiar with 18th cen & later Parisian printers might be able to identify the print house Bennett, especially if you can sharpen the photo so all the words can be read. Evidently, the very historical street of St Jacques housed the first and many subsequent printers in Paris (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue_Saint-Jacques,_Paris" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue_Saint-Jacques,_Paris" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue_Saint-Jacques,_Paris</a>).</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/Le-Dejeuner/700251B8B30C2BAB" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/Le-Dejeuner/700251B8B30C2BAB" rel="nofollow">https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/Le-Dejeuner/700251B8B30C2BAB</a> shows this image as a pen and ink drawing sold in 2019.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.jonquet.com/en/lot/149840/25199024-after-jean-baptiste-huet-le-dejeuner-le-diner-le-gouter-and?" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jonquet.com/en/lot/149840/25199024-after-jean-baptiste-huet-le-dejeuner-le-diner-le-gouter-and?" rel="nofollow">https://www.jonquet.com/en/lot/149840/25199024-after-jean-baptiste-huet-le-dejeuner-le-diner-le-gouter-and?</a> shows the same image & presumably same text (tiny pic) as one of a "suite of four engravings. In gilded frames (minor wear). 29x22.5 cm." Your Dejeuner looks in better condition. Jonquet's appears to have a large [water?] stain across the lower left (viewer's left/print's right).</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Aha! Eureka! This appears to be the original:</b></p><p><a href="https://www.artcurial.com/en/sales/3949/lots/21-a" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.artcurial.com/en/sales/3949/lots/21-a" rel="nofollow">https://www.artcurial.com/en/sales/3949/lots/21-a</a></p><p>Watercolor over pen and brown ink. Signed and dated J.B.</p><p>hüet 1787 in the lower right. In a carved and gilded wooden frame with faux marble decoration adorned with a pediment cartouche, French work from the Louis XVI period. [Sold for</p><p>€3900.] Comment: Engraver: By Louis-Martin Bonnet (sic) [actually, Louis-Marin Bonnet], under the title "Le Déjeuné" (<i>sic</i>) [for<i> Le Déjeunér</i>, The Luncheon], part of a series of four with "Snack," "Dinner," and "Supper."</p><p><br /></p><p>About the artist: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Huet" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Huet" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Huet</a> (<b>Jean-Baptiste Marie Huet</b> (French pronunciation:<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/French" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/French" rel="nofollow">[ʒɑ̃batistmaʁiɥɛ]</a>; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris" rel="nofollow">Paris</a>, 15 October 1745 – Paris, 27 January 1811) was a French painter, engraver and designer associated with pastoral and genre scenes of animals in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rococo" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rococo" rel="nofollow">Rococo</a> manner, influenced by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher" rel="nofollow">François Boucher</a>.")</p><p><br /></p><p>About the engraver, <b>Louis-Marin Bonnet (1736-1793)</b>: <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Louis-Martin+Bonnet+printer&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1161US1161&oq=Louis-Martin+Bonnet+printer&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCTgwNTZqMGoxNagCCLACAfEFlJpVvazkIho&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Louis-Martin+Bonnet+printer&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1161US1161&oq=Louis-Martin+Bonnet+printer&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCTgwNTZqMGoxNagCCLACAfEFlJpVvazkIho&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?q=Louis-Martin+Bonnet+printer&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1161US1161&oq=Louis-Martin+Bonnet+printer&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCTgwNTZqMGoxNagCCLACAfEFlJpVvazkIho&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.askart.com/artist/Louis_Marin_Bonnet/11089937/Louis_Marin_Bonnet.aspx#:~:text=Louis%20Marin%20Bonnet,-Auction%20RecordsLots&text=Louis%20Marin%20Bonnet%20(1736%20%2D%201793,as%20Boucher%2C%20Huet%20or%20Lagren%C3%A9e" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.askart.com/artist/Louis_Marin_Bonnet/11089937/Louis_Marin_Bonnet.aspx#:~:text=Louis%20Marin%20Bonnet,-Auction%20RecordsLots&text=Louis%20Marin%20Bonnet%20(1736%20%2D%201793,as%20Boucher%2C%20Huet%20or%20Lagren%C3%A9e" rel="nofollow">https://www.askart.com/artist/Louis_Marin_Bonnet/11089937/Louis_Marin_Bonnet.aspx#:~:text=Louis Marin Bonnet,-Auction RecordsLots&text=Louis Marin Bonnet (1736 - 1793,as Boucher, Huet or Lagrenée</a>. "The painter and engraver Louis-Marin Bonnet was ... one of the best known engravers of the 18th century Paris. He is well recorded for his polychrome prints in chalk and pastel manner, reproducing works by famous masters such as Boucher, Huet or Lagrenée."</p><p><br /></p><p>The ArtCurial website & a bit of goggling seems to provide the answers: <b>The original was a watercolor over pen and brown ink by <b>Jean-Baptiste Huet</b>, reproduced with colored engravings by Louis-Marin Bonnet</b> (not Bennet, as I read it or "-Martin," as ArtCurial spelled it.) <b>as part of a series of four meals. Your picture is likely one of those 18th century reproductive engravings. Congratulations!</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p>But <b>I still would like to see better photos of your engraving</b>, especially the text below the image. All of the website images were too small to read that.</p><p><br /></p><p>Please forgive my loquacity. I recorded my original opinon and the web search as I found each bit of new information. I thought that might be of interest to a few art historical obsessives (like myself). Of course, had I been an 18th century rococo specialist I might have recognized Bonnet and his method of reproductive engraving from the beginning. But I am not, so I had to take the long way around. (Actually, a much shortened "long way" thanks to the internet.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Iconodule, post: 10585800, member: 91417"]Your pictures are fuzzy, but it looks like a repro to me--the text directly under the image (where the the artist's signature & title often are, but are illegible in the photos) look printed, not handwritten. The large title text looks printed as on a repro, and I see no sign of embossment from the plate. Clearer photos might yield more info. Might be a fine or even a historical reproduction. I cannot read it clearly but the bottom line of text may be the business where it was printed. It looks to me like "A Paris chez Bennet rue St. Jacques...[illegible but likely more about the location]" (At Paris at the house Bennet [on the] rue St Jacques ["St. James Street"]). Someone familiar with 18th cen & later Parisian printers might be able to identify the print house Bennett, especially if you can sharpen the photo so all the words can be read. Evidently, the very historical street of St Jacques housed the first and many subsequent printers in Paris ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rue_Saint-Jacques,_Paris[/URL]). [URL]https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/Le-Dejeuner/700251B8B30C2BAB[/URL] shows this image as a pen and ink drawing sold in 2019. [URL]https://www.jonquet.com/en/lot/149840/25199024-after-jean-baptiste-huet-le-dejeuner-le-diner-le-gouter-and?[/URL] shows the same image & presumably same text (tiny pic) as one of a "suite of four engravings. In gilded frames (minor wear). 29x22.5 cm." Your Dejeuner looks in better condition. Jonquet's appears to have a large [water?] stain across the lower left (viewer's left/print's right). [B]Aha! Eureka! This appears to be the original:[/B] [URL]https://www.artcurial.com/en/sales/3949/lots/21-a[/URL] Watercolor over pen and brown ink. Signed and dated J.B. hüet 1787 in the lower right. In a carved and gilded wooden frame with faux marble decoration adorned with a pediment cartouche, French work from the Louis XVI period. [Sold for €3900.] Comment: Engraver: By Louis-Martin Bonnet (sic) [actually, Louis-Marin Bonnet], under the title "Le Déjeuné" ([I]sic[/I]) [for[I] Le Déjeunér[/I], The Luncheon], part of a series of four with "Snack," "Dinner," and "Supper." About the artist: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Huet[/URL] ([B]Jean-Baptiste Marie Huet[/B] (French pronunciation:[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/French'][ʒɑ̃batistmaʁiɥɛ][/URL]; [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris']Paris[/URL], 15 October 1745 – Paris, 27 January 1811) was a French painter, engraver and designer associated with pastoral and genre scenes of animals in the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rococo']Rococo[/URL] manner, influenced by [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Boucher']François Boucher[/URL].") About the engraver, [B]Louis-Marin Bonnet (1736-1793)[/B]: [URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=Louis-Martin+Bonnet+printer&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS1161US1161&oq=Louis-Martin+Bonnet+printer&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCTgwNTZqMGoxNagCCLACAfEFlJpVvazkIho&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8[/URL] [URL='https://www.askart.com/artist/Louis_Marin_Bonnet/11089937/Louis_Marin_Bonnet.aspx#:~:text=Louis%20Marin%20Bonnet,-Auction%20RecordsLots&text=Louis%20Marin%20Bonnet%20(1736%20%2D%201793,as%20Boucher%2C%20Huet%20or%20Lagren%C3%A9e']https://www.askart.com/artist/Louis_Marin_Bonnet/11089937/Louis_Marin_Bonnet.aspx#:~:text=Louis Marin Bonnet,-Auction RecordsLots&text=Louis Marin Bonnet (1736 - 1793,as Boucher, Huet or Lagrenée[/URL]. "The painter and engraver Louis-Marin Bonnet was ... one of the best known engravers of the 18th century Paris. He is well recorded for his polychrome prints in chalk and pastel manner, reproducing works by famous masters such as Boucher, Huet or Lagrenée." The ArtCurial website & a bit of goggling seems to provide the answers: [B]The original was a watercolor over pen and brown ink by [B]Jean-Baptiste Huet[/B], reproduced with colored engravings by Louis-Marin Bonnet[/B] (not Bennet, as I read it or "-Martin," as ArtCurial spelled it.) [B]as part of a series of four meals. Your picture is likely one of those 18th century reproductive engravings. Congratulations! [/B] But [B]I still would like to see better photos of your engraving[/B], especially the text below the image. All of the website images were too small to read that. Please forgive my loquacity. I recorded my original opinon and the web search as I found each bit of new information. I thought that might be of interest to a few art historical obsessives (like myself). Of course, had I been an 18th century rococo specialist I might have recognized Bonnet and his method of reproductive engraving from the beginning. But I am not, so I had to take the long way around. (Actually, a much shortened "long way" thanks to the internet.)[/QUOTE]
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