Jim Dine Serigraph?

Discussion in 'Art' started by Spudnik, Jan 29, 2021.

  1. Spudnik

    Spudnik Active Member

    I think this is a serigraph signed by Jim Dine entitled 8 hearts. I've seen various versions of this on the internet with widely varying valuations.

    Do you think this is a serigraph? I've included closeups to help. 20210129_114858.jpg 20210129_114906.jpg 20210129_114934.jpg 20210129_114950.jpg
     
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  2. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I do think it's a serigraph, but one pulled on too light a weight of paper, hence the wrinkles as it dried.
     
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  3. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    After a quick internet search, the term 'LITHOGRAPH' seems more accurate.

    I'm actually of the belief that the 2 are interchangeable, as long as "litho" does not refer to offset printing, but rather, to hand printing.

    Perhaps a more knowledgeable art person will know the answer to this, please be patient.
     
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  4. Spudnik

    Spudnik Active Member

    I don't think the wrinkles appeared as it dried, I don't remember those being there when I bought it. The paper is actually pretty thick, and kind of "plasticized". I think if anything the wrinkles may be from temperature variation over time shrinking and/or contracting this paper creating the wrinkles. I think if I took it out of the frame I would easily be able to smooth that out.
     
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  5. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I think it would need to be wax-backed or adhesive-backed to remove the wrinkles, they've been in place too long. At that, it could ruin the print.

    @moreotherstuff , @blooey , may know more about your art print. I do think it was done by Jim Dine and is worth whatever the market will bear. I would not mess around with trying to get those wrinkles out!
     
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  6. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    I've seen one of these before, I believe this is an offset litho on textured stock but hard to say definitively from a few pics. Doesn't seem to be a good choice for silkscreen process looking at the design. Silkscreen is better suited to blocks of colour not complex blends.
    Blends and tonal graduation can be achieved using silkscreen of course but that is not the usual choice of process for a design like this with lots of tonal variance.
     
  7. Spudnik

    Spudnik Active Member

    Thanks blooey. Would more pictures help you determine the printing process?

    I'll post some more closeups if that would help.
     
  8. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    What Blooey said. (And big difference between silkscreen and lithograph)

    Titled: Eight Hearts

    I'm finding possibly 2 different versions online: one says lithograph, the other says screenprint. The screenprint is a tad larger, but not so much that you wonder if it's how it was measured. (I've found a couple of examples of each online.)

    https://www.spellmangallery.com/artists/jim-dine

    https://education.uiowa.edu/lindquist-art-collection/eight-hearts

    The lithograph is more common, but then I don't really know if there are actually two different versions.
     
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  9. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Yes there is a big difference between serigraph and silk screen (I got mixed up) apologies.
     
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  10. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Serigraph and screen printing are pretty much interchangeable. Lithograph and silk screen are not.
     
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  11. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    The terms refer to the same process. The term silkscreen is no longer used and is replaced by screen print or serigraph as the screens are no longer silk.
     
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  12. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    And there you have exactly what my muddy brain fog was trying to say. Thank you MOS
     
  13. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    Keeping it very simple a litho is made off a plate and a serigraph (screen print) is made by pushing ink through a screen.
     
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2021
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  14. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I know, reader.
     
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  15. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Thank you, reader.
     
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