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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Any Jewelry, post: 488405, member: 2844&quot;]I agree, the detail on the other teapots is better. But whether that is due to the period or the skill of the maker...?</p><p>It is difficult to judge the colours on the different photographs. If only we could put all three teapots next to each other.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":)" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>About the yellow colour, I&#039;ve been trying to find my notes from a course which I took in Oriental glazes. We are talking the 1980s, and can&#039;t find them anywhere.</p><p>What I do remember is that the colour differences in yellow depend on the minerals used and where they were sourced. Similar story as underglaze blue, really.</p><p>That light yellow was also used for Imperial yellow, which your teapot isn&#039;t, of course.</p><p>Sometimes two shades of yellow, from different minerals, were used in the same piece, like on this Kangxi cup:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]162360[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Not porcelain, but enamel on metal, Qianlong period, note the difference in yellow on the kettle (two shades of yellow) and the burner:</p><p><img src="https://www.chinese-porcelain.com/usr/library/main/images/cat3.121.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>On these sites are some pieces which also have that more light lemon yellow:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.chinese-porcelain.com/news/5-polychrome-decoration-on-chinese-porcelain/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.chinese-porcelain.com/news/5-polychrome-decoration-on-chinese-porcelain/" rel="nofollow">https://www.chinese-porcelain.com/news/5-polychrome-decoration-on-chinese-porcelain/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/index/8372-chinese-ceramics-fencai-mark/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/index/8372-chinese-ceramics-fencai-mark/" rel="nofollow">https://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/index/8372-chinese-ceramics-fencai-mark/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I do agree with kard that you have to watch out with some yellow glazes, but as far as I know that applies to Famille Jaune. Famille Jaune pieces are generally existing pieces which were redecorated with yellow glaze in the early 20th century.</p><p>A separate group are the yellow Peranakan wares, which are genuinely of the Peranakan porcelain period, mid 19th - early 20th century.</p><p><br /></p><p>As to the term Famille Rose, certain French terms have been used in the West for centuries. The &#039;Famille&#039; terms and Celadon (after a character from a French play) are well-known examples.</p><p>The Chinese terms varied throughout history, fencai was only introduced in the 20th century. It is quite possible a new term will emerge in a couple of decades.</p><p>I sold Chinese porcelain in the pre-internet days, and in Europe we used the European terms, which were the general terms used outside China. Most of the pieces in my shop were 17th-18th century, so pre-fencai. When they were made they were called yangcai, foreign colours.</p><p>Because of the name changes, I think it is fine to use the more general &#039;Famille&#039; terms, especially if you are not sure of the period. It is not snobbish or incorrect, it is just a centuries old name collectors of all ages know. If you want to use another term, that&#039;s fine too, as long as people know what you mean. After all, what&#039;s in a name.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=";)" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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