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Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by chivori, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. chivori

    chivori New Member

    Hi. I try to know the origin of these antique porcelain figures, in all probability European.

    They have some deterioration, but they are beautiful and of great quality. In
    the photo you can see the mark they have, rather a signature in ink or paint.

    They may come from a few centuries ago.I have not been able to identify the signature, although the figures seem to be German, Austrian or French.

    Thank you!!!

    PORCELAIN FIGURES 1.jpg PORCELAIN FIGURES 2.jpg PORCELAIN FIGURES 3.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2020
  2. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    The 711 numbers aren't European in style.
     
  3. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Chivori, I think you mean "antique" instead of "ancient." (Ancient means belonging to a civilization that no longer exists, such as the Visigoths.)

    Debora
     
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  4. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

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    This looks like it is over glaze, might be the decorators mark and not the maker.

    Possibly German, or possibly English. Mid to late 1800s is just a guess on my part.
     
  5. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    I like them and love their expressions!! So sad she's an amputee!!
    WELCOME, Chivori!!!!
     
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  6. chivori

    chivori New Member

    Thank you all.

    --- The number 711 seems numeral because the other figure has another something illegible ...

    --- --- I correct the message text ...

    --- Yes, it is over glaze … it certainly must have been the decorator's job

    ---- And yes, it's sad that the girl lost a hand… but still smiles...
     
  7. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    I also think European. I’m thinking late 19th c.
     
  8. chivori

    chivori New Member

    Thank you all. Before writing here I had looked at hundreds of porcelain marks ... Later, I continued and I have already seen thousands without finding the one on my statuettes. The good thing is that I have learned a lot to understand other porcelains ...
     
  9. Adrian Lewis

    Adrian Lewis Journeyman

    Not English at all. Possibly German/Europea but without wishig to be unkind, the figurines are badly formed and could well have been apprentice pieces, trial pieces etc sold off to a lesser factory. This is not fine quality European porcelain sculpting.
     
  10. chivori

    chivori New Member

    Thank you... If someday I find out who "yt" was, I'll write it here ... Soon I will show other things like these in Antiquers ... At least I will share these things with people who like to see this ... Greetings
     
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  11. SYNCHRONCITY

    SYNCHRONCITY Well-Known Member

    I am definitely not an expert, but I believe these are French. A lot of people sell these by calling them Old Paris porcelain mantel figures or figurines. Some were crudely painted and some, especially the ones made by Jacob Petit were exceptionally painted. Makers such as Sampson of Paris churned them out by the thousands too.

    Here are some examples:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-OLD-PA...283714057700?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

    https://www.pinterest.ru/pin/444378688223392872/

    https://www.proantic.com/en/display.php?mode=obj&id=442624
     
  12. chivori

    chivori New Member

    Thank you very much ... Looking at your message and your links I have been able to find that indeed the style and the way of signing the figures is very similar ... The conclusion for me is that I agree with you that my figurines are part of that group of "Old Paris porcelain mantel figures", in this case by an unknown author ... Now I will be able to send my sons an email with a summary with these investigations to save them future head warm-ups ... With my best wishes from Spain, a greeting ...
     
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  13. chivori

    chivori New Member

    Thank you very much ... Looking at your message and your links I have been able to find that indeed the style and the way of signing the figures is very similar ... The conclusion for me is that I agree with you that my figurines are part of that group of "Old Paris porcelain mantel figures", in this case by an unknown author ... Now I will be able to send my sons an email with a summary with these investigations to save them future head warm-ups ... With my best wishes from Spain, a greeting ...
     
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  14. SYNCHRONCITY

    SYNCHRONCITY Well-Known Member

    You are very welcome. I'm so glad I was able to help you :joyful:
     
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