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<p>[QUOTE="bercrystal, post: 4510323, member: 88"]The cups are marked with an acid-etched Mansard Rue Paradis Paris mark but the saucers either have no marks or what is possibly a dragonfly. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/confused.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/confused.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":confused:" unselectable="on" /> It is obvious that they go together but I can't find any mention of a dragonfly mark for this company. Does anyone recognize this mark? </p><p><br /></p><p>From what I could determine these are possibly 19th century but I was wondering if anyone knew if it would be early or late 19th century or if they are newer. I am basing my opinion on information I found online as well as the style of the pieces with the heavy gold encrusting. </p><p><br /></p><p>I suck at reading ciphers & monograms so this is the main reason I am posting these pieces. I think this one is supposed to be ES. The family name of the family started with an S & there was a woman named Eugenia during the time period this porcelain would have been made. However, the estate these came from also was someone who bought at flea markets, antique malls, etc. & it was hard to know what was a family piece or just something he found along the way. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rolleyes.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Does anyone have any good online references for styles of monograms & ciphers? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":)" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1101451575_o.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> <img src="https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1111803639_o.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> <img src="https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1101451578_o.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> <img src="https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1101451570_o.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><img src="https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1111801821_o.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> <img src="https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1101451567_o.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for any & all suggestions or opinions!! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie49" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie49" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie59" alt=":kiss:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="bercrystal, post: 4510323, member: 88"]The cups are marked with an acid-etched Mansard Rue Paradis Paris mark but the saucers either have no marks or what is possibly a dragonfly. :confused::confused: It is obvious that they go together but I can't find any mention of a dragonfly mark for this company. Does anyone recognize this mark? From what I could determine these are possibly 19th century but I was wondering if anyone knew if it would be early or late 19th century or if they are newer. I am basing my opinion on information I found online as well as the style of the pieces with the heavy gold encrusting. I suck at reading ciphers & monograms so this is the main reason I am posting these pieces. I think this one is supposed to be ES. The family name of the family started with an S & there was a woman named Eugenia during the time period this porcelain would have been made. However, the estate these came from also was someone who bought at flea markets, antique malls, etc. & it was hard to know what was a family piece or just something he found along the way. :rolleyes: Does anyone have any good online references for styles of monograms & ciphers? :) [IMG]https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1101451575_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1111803639_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1101451578_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1101451570_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1111801821_o.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/2/6/8/2/webimg/1101451567_o.jpg[/IMG] Thanks for any & all suggestions or opinions!! :happy::happy: :kiss:[/QUOTE]
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