Mason's Ironstone, Real or fake?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by 916Bulldogs123, Sep 13, 2014.

  1. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    With my uneasiness is I never seen such "crude" Mason's is what brought "seconds" to mind instead of instutional. Perhaps it is a lot older than what I always have handled.
  2. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    I contacted the janice paull that kentworld had given earlier. If I ever get a reply i will let you all know.
    In the mean time i will not be doing anything with it till I know for sure. Thanks for all the input and help.

  3. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    I received my answer.

    Hi Mike,

    Many thanks for your query, which Alan has passed to me for a response.
    From the image you sent, I can confirm that this appears to be a genuine Mason's mark.
    This square crown is a later mark which was used by either Francis Morley or Ashworth who acquired the rights to the Mason's name after CJ Mason became bankrupt in 1849, or thereabouts.
    As this mark was used over a long period of time it is almost impossible to give a precise date of manufacture - it could be anywhere from c1850 to c1910.
    Hope this helps,

    Best wishes,

    Malcolm Lewin
    Chairman, Mason's Collectors' Club
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  4. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi Mikey,
    Glad you got your answer. Thank you for coming back and letting us know. It is a lot older than the Mason's I am used to seeing.
  5. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Here is the same pattern in flow blue by Ashworth Bros.
    Now my question is can mine be called the same or just transfer ware?
  6. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

    No, your's is transfer.
    Flow blue has to have that *flow* and looks like the colors have bled (because they have :)).
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  7. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    Thank you Messi,
    I found my pattern is called "Real old Canton"
    and using the incised marks on mine a possible date of 1864? If both stamps are date stamps it would be actually October 1864. just speculating though But i do know now this pattern first used in 1862. But if Ashworth bought the patterns in 1850 why and when did they stop using the mason's marks?
  8. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    Then I can assume from the markings on this bit that it is much more recent?


  9. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    >Then I can assume from the markings on this bit that it is much more recent?<

    Mansons, according to that website, your mark was used after 1940. Mark #21, 2nd up from the bottom:

    --- Susan
  10. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    Thank you!

    I figured it wasn't as old as I ......................
  11. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    I find it interesting that the same basic form (on the two smaller pieces) was in use from "c1850 to c1910" to post-1940. It just seems that they modified that curlycue on the inner side of the handle - mine isn't broken, it was produced that way.
  12. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi Mansons,
    The mold for the handle has worn away and needed to be replaced. I find that on a lot ceramics that are used a lot. On the expensive fine porcelain the molds were repaired/replaced a lot quicker.
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  13. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    I found this.
    "Transfer" designs were first applied to ironstone patterns by Miles Mason, in an attempt to copy the designs of Chinese porcelain. Transferware is most often in one colour against a white background, such as blue transferware, or red, green, or brown transferware. Some patterns included detail colours that were added on top of the main transfer after the glaze had been applied.[11]

    Transferware designs range from dense patterns that cover the piece, to small motifs applied sparingly to give a delicate appearance, as with floral motifs.
  14. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

    Seeing that reminds me, I do believe flow blue is also transfer ware, but because it "flows" has it's own designation as such.
  15. Raelene

    Raelene New Member

    Hi there. I was just looking for some of the Mason's Watteau Multicolor and saw your turkey platter. I just love it and wanted to know if it's still available or if you have any of the multicolor Watteau? It's hard to find and I use it or Thanksgiving. Thanks :~)
  16. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    Hello Raelene & welcome to our forum!! :happy::happy:

    This thread is over 4 years old & AF may or may not even look at it to see you request. You can try sending him a private message by clicking on your "inbox" at the top of the page on the right.

    He is in England so the shipping for such a piece is gong to be even higher than it was back in 2014, but if you happen to be in the UK yourself maybe it will work.
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