Featured Medeival Princess Painting

Discussion in 'Art' started by Budding Collector, Sep 10, 2024.

  1. yes.. those are the tack holes. They are spaced about 4" apart along the whole edge. I'm headed to doctor now so can"t reply again for a while...
     
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  2. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Late to this party.

    mid=17th C portrait of Queen Anne (Kensington Palace)

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  3. U V light pics of painting and close up of signature area 33.jpg 34.jpg
     
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  4. Hello all again. I wanted to send an update to my posts regarding my painting. A conservator is almost done with her work. The painting came out great and she removed the "New" lining covering the original canvas. When doing that she revealed a hand written label written in what I think is old Scot's. Can anyone help with the translation of the label? I have also found that "Elligens" as this is signed means referring to the educated elite or upper class in Norway around the 1780's. I've posted pics here of the cleaned painting, verso, and the label. Any help here at all would be greatly appreciated.
    Thank you all once again!!!
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  5. Oh... and also during cleaning, she found some letters under the signature which I can't make out. Anyone have thoughts on those??
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  6. And lastly... front and verso re-stretched with new strips and the label shown on top thumbnail__MG_0363.jpg thumbnail__MG_0360.jpg
    Big difference!
     
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  7. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Please post your photos, full size, here rather than as attachments.
     
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  8. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

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    "Elligers" appears to be a common family name in Norway. The name on the front of the painting and in the note on the back might be the name of the sitter (the subject of the painting), rather than the artist. In the first line of the note, her full name might be Yves Jorgen Elligers.

    In the third line of the note, I see "f: 1757 d: 1818", which could be the dates of birth (født in Norwegian) and death (døde in Norwegian).
    The rest of the text could be Norwegian, but beyond my ability to translate. Some other members are good at manipulating photos, and might be able to enhance the text.

    Did the conservator have any insights into the age or origin of the painting based on the style and materials?
     
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  9. She always thought late 18th to early 19th century specifically because of the hardness of the lacquer. It took an unusually strong solvent and much elbow grease to clean it up. She says that hardness is indicative of age. Plus now that we can see verso, along with the label, I believe her.
     
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  10. I also think maybe the last words are Margreth Elligens.. another name
     
  11. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I believe that's "Margrethe."

    Debora
     
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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Which sounds more Scandi.
     
  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Tweaked the label a bit:

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    The name in the first line is "Iver Jörgen Elligers", a Scandi man's name.
    Jörgen instead of Jørgen looks Swedish rather than Norwegian, but it could be the old Norwegian spelling. There is a strong historic bond between the two nations.
    My guess is that Iver is the painter.

    Last line: ".... dotter Margarethe Elligers", daughter Margarethe Elligers.
    I can't make out yet if daughter Margarethe was the sitter or the person who passed on the info on the painting.
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    In the fifth line I see the name "Cathrine", followed by what could be "Ellie Gelhen". So maybe it says Cathrine Ellie Gelhen (the sitter?).
    Gelhen is a surname of Flemish origin.
     
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  15. I found this in a genealogy search.. Looks like it is the right lineage.... thumbnail_IMG_0380.jpg
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It does. It also looks like you can click on Iver's name, maybe it has information on his profession (painter?).
     
  17. Skipsreder is a person or company that owns ships
     
  18. Also just found out the language written could be Bokmal. A literary form of Norwegian developed by the gradual reform of written Danish.
     
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