Meiji Satsuma - Thousand Faces Marks

I picked up a couple pieces that were listed as Meiji Satsuma, but now I am not quite sure.

The first piece feels like a miniature incense burner (sans top).

I have done some google searches trying to find the mark, but with no luck. You have all been helpful in the past, and am hoping you can help again.



The other piece is a miniature vase, again with look like Meiji marks. The marks are a little faint, but here they are.

I have found similar stuff, but nothing quite the same.

 

Hola, and welcome to the Forums. Plenty of Japanese pottery brainiacs will be along soon.

 

The link below might help.
Satsuma pottery marks at Gotheborg.com

 

http://gotheborg.com/marks/satsuma.shtml

 

I third that. The circle and plus sign (Shimazu family crest) on top is the correct "orient"ation.

 

Thanks for the links. We found those as well, but can't make a definitive match for either piece.

The marks on the "vase" are very close to the Gyokuzan marks, but are a few strokes off.

In regards to the incense burner, we can not find anything even close.

I am much less concerned now that they are fake, especially since I bought them from a reputable dealer. If they are they are fakes, they are very well executed fakes.

Thanks again for your help everyone. It is very much appreciated.

I will update everyone as I learn more. Stay tuned!

 

Searching " Japanese satsuma koro" should bring a lot of results.

 

Thanks so much! I'll try that search term.

 

It's not a matter of them being "Fake" Satsuma.
It's more a matter of what time period for this particular Satsuma

 

We found a site that linked to a repository of kanji characters, so we just have to do the cross referencing to determine the date.

My concern about them being "fake" was more about it not Japanese, but rather Chinese knock offs. The more time I spend with them, the more I think they are real Meiji. All the workmanship is too good for anything but a high end fake meant to fool experts.

I will keep doing the leg work and let you all know what I discover.

 

If you are a Facebook user, there's a page, Collecting Japanese Ceramics and Art, where you might get some additional information. https://www.facebook.com/groups/collectingjapaneseceramics/

 

Yay Facebook to the rescue. Thanks for the tip. I will try there.

Will keep everyone posted

 

100% NOT worth the time involved to fake them

 

And the original poster hasn't been here since November 2019!

 

Random thread exhumation. How bizarre. Lovely pieces though and I'm glad a saw them.