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<p>[QUOTE="Chest Rockwell, post: 858114, member: 11770"]Hi all,</p><p><br /></p><p>I recently bought a pair of vases from a Boston antiques dealer. I bought them because I liked them and without any information about their maker or age. Only after I bought them did I begin researching them. The dealer made no representations about their origin and claimed to not know much about them.</p><p><br /></p><p>As best as I can determine they appear to be pate-sur-pate vases made by Mintons in the 1875-1810 time frame. However, two things make me question their authenticity. </p><p><br /></p><p>First, the carved figures, while nice, seem to be a bit cruder and have slightly less fine detail than many of the pictures of similar Mintons vases I have found on the internet.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, while there is a Mintons mark on the bottoms of the vases it does not seem to be the appropriate mark for the time period. From what I have read, the mark design on my vases was only used by Mintons in the early 19th century, whereas the Louis Salon pate-sur-pate vases were only made after 1875 or so. See,</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.victoriana.com/tilepatterns/mintontiles.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.victoriana.com/tilepatterns/mintontiles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.victoriana.com/tilepatterns/mintontiles.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.oldandsold.com/pottery/greatbritain22.shtml" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.oldandsold.com/pottery/greatbritain22.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldandsold.com/pottery/greatbritain22.shtml</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Further, all of the other Mintons marks on pate-sur-pate vases I have seen posted on the internet have been of the crown/globe variety.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have attached some pictures. Would appreciate any insights or expertise. My working hypothesis is that they might be old knock-off's perhaps made contemporaneously in the 1875-1910 timeframe when this style was popular.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]196958[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196959[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196960[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196961[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196962[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196963[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Chest Rockwell, post: 858114, member: 11770"]Hi all, I recently bought a pair of vases from a Boston antiques dealer. I bought them because I liked them and without any information about their maker or age. Only after I bought them did I begin researching them. The dealer made no representations about their origin and claimed to not know much about them. As best as I can determine they appear to be pate-sur-pate vases made by Mintons in the 1875-1810 time frame. However, two things make me question their authenticity. First, the carved figures, while nice, seem to be a bit cruder and have slightly less fine detail than many of the pictures of similar Mintons vases I have found on the internet. Second, while there is a Mintons mark on the bottoms of the vases it does not seem to be the appropriate mark for the time period. From what I have read, the mark design on my vases was only used by Mintons in the early 19th century, whereas the Louis Salon pate-sur-pate vases were only made after 1875 or so. See, [URL]http://www.victoriana.com/tilepatterns/mintontiles.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.oldandsold.com/pottery/greatbritain22.shtml[/URL] Further, all of the other Mintons marks on pate-sur-pate vases I have seen posted on the internet have been of the crown/globe variety. I have attached some pictures. Would appreciate any insights or expertise. My working hypothesis is that they might be old knock-off's perhaps made contemporaneously in the 1875-1910 timeframe when this style was popular. Thanks. [ATTACH=full]196958[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196959[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196960[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196961[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196962[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]196963[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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