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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Iconodule, post: 11384693, member: 91417&quot;]Inherited from my mother.&nbsp; I thought these plates had no marks until I noticed the Minton stamp on the “Apple” plate and looked more closely at the others, where I found impressed marks:&nbsp; MINTON CHINA 3-65 on apple &amp; plum, MINTON CHINA 3-64 on pear.&nbsp; The stamped mark was used 1951+ . (My mother collected most/all of her English china in 1970, when my parents lived in Shropshire, so I assume this is the <i>terminus ante quem</i>.) There are also two similar plates with floral centers and dark red rims with the same ornate pattern in gold, one with MINTON CHINA 3-65 and the other without a mark. (Should I post pic of these in this thread?)</p><p><br /></p><p>However, when I used Google Lens I found other plates with the identical center design by different US &amp; UK manufacturers (Salem, Homer Laughlin, Johnson Bros).&nbsp; In some cases, the fruit patterns were signed M. Langbroek. I wondered if my plates could be fake Minton, but that did not seem plausible.&nbsp; Why create a fake Minton and use only incised marks that are barely visible? If creating a fraudulent stamped mark, why use one from a recent date? (I tried to open 1950s+ pattern catalogues on the online Minton Archive, but I found that beyond my meager computer skills. Maybe they do not open online &amp; researchers must travel to the physical location?)</p><p><br /></p><p>Would Minton use a pattern identical to other manufacturers?&nbsp; Which came first? The ones with signatures? Minton copying or <i>vice versa</i>?&nbsp; (Isn’t that illegal?) Why do so many manufacturers use these designs?</p><p><br /></p><p>Qs about the stamped mark:&nbsp; Why is a MADE IN ENGLAND plate stamped with the German <i>ges. gesch. </i>(<i>gesetzlich geschützt</i>).&nbsp; If the design is “legally protected,” why are other manufacturers using it?&nbsp; To what do the other words &amp; numbers refer?&nbsp; B-1468 WHITE MONARCH looks like a pattern number/name, but scarcely describes the multicolored fruit, floral, colored/gilt rims.&nbsp; &quot;Shape Rd. des. No. 909,105&quot;: Shape design number?&nbsp; What is &quot;Rd.&quot;?</p><p><br /></p><p>What do the impressed numbers (3-65 and 3-64) mean?&nbsp; At first, I thought they were the specific pattern, but when I found 3-65 on apple, plum, &amp; flower centers I discarded that theory.&nbsp; I would have thought it was the general design of the gold festoon patterns on the rims, but then why does the pear plate have a different number (3-64)? Why does one floral plate lack a mark?&nbsp; Can the impressed marks be dated?&nbsp; I assume they share the same date as the stamped mark, but is that correct?</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]542359[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]542360[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]542361[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]542362[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]542363[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]542364[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]542365[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]542366[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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